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You want government to nationalize and run the companies to get those "fair wages and benefits".
That's communism pure and simple and that's what you want.
The guy at the lawn service likely has a family to support and you are taking food out of his mouth.
Oh, please!
The guy at the lawn service may just have more work than he can do in a day. Many lawn services are owned by the workers. In fact, a gardner lives across the street from me and he seems to be doing fine financially, plus his lawn is BEAUTIFUL.
You want government to nationalize and run the companies to get those "fair wages and benefits".
That's communism pure and simple and that's what you want.
That ^^^ is enormously biased BS. Or is it an intentional effort to "flame" posters?
I am a "progressive" and I can say unequivocally that I DO NOT WANT the government to nationalize and run companies. What a ridiculous assertion by you. However, IF I did want such a thing, I would have no problem owning up to that desire/belief. As I've stated previously, I support a combination of capitalism and socialism. Both economic systems need some regulation and oversight. Geeeezus. Who knew that arch-conservatives were also mind readers with crystal balls?
NOBODY is saying that the primary purpose of business is to provide employment. We are saying is that companies/corporations have a social responsibility to their communities which have provided them with huge successes by paying their employees a living wage (minimum wage) so that you conservatives will not have to subsidize their employees with public assistance programs, and that the minimum wage should be increased enough to keep pace with inflation. Very simple really. Social responsibility is something you would do well to research.
Reversed, perhaps people in these various communities have a "social responsibility" to the companies/corporations that provide them with goods/services locally and should volunteer to work there for free?
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Originally Posted by FancyFeast5000
Again, thank you for making my point. The current Minimum wage which has not kept pace with inflation keeps people in poverty.
People making minimum wage are "poor people" and don't deserve any better; keep them in their places.
"Poor people" only deserve better if they want better for themselves, in which case they need to earn an education/skill set which will allow them to earn more or start their own business.
You want government to nationalize and run the companies to get those "fair wages and benefits".
That's communism pure and simple and that's what you want.
The government already dictates what minimum wage standards are, fair wages and benefits would be no different. Except, companies and corporations have already been circumventing rules and laws any way they can, corporations now have uncle sam in their back pockets. A work week once consisted of 40 hours, it's less than that now because of corporate lobbyists.
You might just as well say the minimum wage standard presently in place is communism, while both parties agreed and signed them into law, so, it's not just progressives, it's conservatives, D & R parties together. I never understand how you conservatives figure liberals, progressives and democrats are always to blame, when you're part of it.
Reversed, perhaps people in these various communities have a "social responsibility" to the companies/corporations that provide them with goods/services locally and should volunteer to work there for free?
"Poor people" only deserve better if they want better for themselves, in which case they need to earn an education/skill set which will allow them to earn more or start their own business.
What do the companies provide people who are not their customers locally?
What is your position regarding the fact that college educated people these days are in fact working in fast food restaurants because there are too few better jobs available? Do you think every person in this country should be a small business owner? If so, who would do the serving in our service based economy these days? Seems to me that your thinking is outdated.
Not sure if this obvious fact has been stated yet...
If the fast food establishments raised the pay to $15 an hour for these jobs, more qualified people would suddenly be interested in these jobs and would be hired in place of the lesser qualified workers currently striking for higher wages.
They would have "struck" themselves out of a job
Doh
Lol
A wage offered determines the ability of the job seekers who will apply.
Get it?
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Originally Posted by No_Recess
Problem is this just ain't universally true.
I have no dog in this fight but the mainstream conservative mantra that the human psyche revolves around pure profit motivation is just bonkers.
Of course people want to make more dough but not at the expense of completely throwing your future away not to mention having your brain unchallenged.
I have nothing against these workers. If this is the only job they can do based on intellect then that's fine by me. Every person deserves respect.
I can't work in fast food though. Not because I'm "too good" for it but because it would have an adverse impact on my brain. Assuming I wasn't in dire need of cash.
If I made $15 per hour as an intern for my career or an entry level job in my field I wouldn't work fast food at $15. Depending on my finances I wouldn't work fast food until they paid a certain percentage ABOVE my current salary. That point varies for most of the folks following along.
I just get a little cranky when I hear this "bottom dollar" theory proposed by many mainstream conservatives. If people were only motivated by $ then most of the great innovators/visionaries throughout history wouldn't have went down the road they did. And I'm nobody special. I'm a paper pusher. I do have a little kick in my brain. Not gonna cure cancer but I gotta have a little stimulation. Know what I mean?
You have to be joking right?
You really believe these companies would not have much more qualified people (college students, out of work professionals, etc) knocking on their doors for these jobs (even if only temporarily) if they raised the hourly wage to $15?
The government already dictates what minimum wage standards are, fair wages and benefits would be no different. Except, companies and corporations have already been circumventing rules and laws any way they can, corporations now have uncle sam in their back pockets. A work week once consisted of 40 hours, it's less than that now because of corporate lobbyists.
You might just as well say the minimum wage standard presently in place is communism, while both parties agreed and signed them into law, so, it's not just progressives, it's conservatives, D & R parties together. go figure.
The min wage law is not communist.
We're still in the capitalist phase.
That has to be overthrown with socialism which is what we are entering with Obamacare and "living wage" and the numerous welfare programs.
And it is obvious you are so completely and deeply conditioned to be pro handout. Those workers have every opportunity to start and run their own business yet they won't, can't (oh where is Obama to help them build that?). Then they think they know what the hell they are talking about.
Do you really think the "solution" is for every worker in this country to "start their own busines"? LOL LOL Exactly how would that work for every minimum wage worker out there, as well as for the economy?
Again, do you like having those highways out there which enable you to move around the country whenever you want and allow small business owners to received products they order from, say, places like China?
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