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Exactly and this is exactly the thinking liberals don't understand. They think someone who sits on the porch all day should get the same money as a doctor. But I doubt they personally would happily pay someone who they expect service from who doesn't provide it to them.
As you are clearly an arch-conservative, what gives you any authority to speak on what "liberal don't understand"?
NOBODY is advocating income equality. The fact that you say liberals "think" minimum wage workers should be paid the same as an educated and trained medical doctor is so absurd that it sounds really stupid. People are advocating a raise in the minimum wage to at least keep pace with inflation.
Ray, dear, you really should educate yourself and come into the 21st Century. Here is some easy reading which should help you get up to speed so you can make a valuable contribution to this thread.
$10.74
How much the federal minimum wage would be if it had kept up with inflation over the past 40 years. Instead, it’s $7.25. Learn More
"When protestors gathered in the nation’s capital 50 years ago from Wednesday, they had ten concrete demands, one of which was “A national minimum wage act that will give all Americans a decent standard of living.” They also pointed out that research showed that “anything less than $2.00 an hour fails to do this.” A $2 minimum wage would be $15.27 an hour in today’s dollars.
Yet today’s minimum wage stands at $7.25, where it hasn’t budged for four years. And it has in fact fallen in value since Dr. Martin Luther King, Jr. made his “I Have A Dream” speech. If it had kept up with inflation since the 1960s, it would be over $10 an hour.
"A new poll reports that 80% of Americans - including 92% of Democrats, 62% of Republicans and 80% of Independents - are in favor of raising the minimum wage to $10.10 per hour and indexing it to the cost of living.
The Fair Minimum Wage Act of 2013 has been introduced in the U.S. Senate and House of Representatives. If passed, it would raise the federal minimum wage from $7.25 to $10.10 per hour by 2015, and adjust it each year after that to keep up with the rising cost of living. The legislation would also increase the minimum wage for employees who receive tips.
That's all very nice, but they'll raise prices to pass on the increased labor costs.
And if you are unlucky, it'll ignite a wage price spiral.
Why are leftists unable to grasp even basic economics?
Yep, they will raise prices. Because things will be more expensive it will result in more people into poverty. Another concept the liberals can't seem to grasp.
But thats EXACTLY what you've called for through this whole thread..
Why do you think we're losing jobs to overseas countries if not things like salaries, government regulations etc?
Exactly. Eventually, even the most liberal 0bama fan-girls get it.
We have heaped so many costly and burdensome taxes, mandates and regulations on businesses and manufacturers, which raises their costs for doing business, and after a awhile, they find they are no longer competitive in the world market, and their future as a business looks glum.
But it does not stop there. Once our manufacturing industry is on the ropes, we have politicians raising the minimum wage, enacting expensive EPA and HHS regulations, and the unions are demanding more wage and benefit increases. Then, when manufacturing goes overseas, those same unions throw a hissy fit and try to get government to punish the manufacturers further.
But according to libs, it's not government's fault that jobs are going away, oh no. We need to squeeze business with more regulations, more mandates, and more punishments, as if we can squeeze blood from the stone
Common sense also tells you that you can actually price yourself right out of the market. You raise those prices so much that no one will buy them, or so few will buy them that you will start to lose money. That's NOT a smart business strategy.
People spend exorbitant amounts of money on things they don't need. McDonald's raising prices isn't going to stop people from buying their product. To suggest otherwise shows a profound lack of knowledge of how business works.
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I've never advocated for income equality. I'm advocating for a fair minimum wage which at the very least keeps up with inflation and allows people to support themselves and their families without the need of pubic assistance programs and without making such a low income that they qualify for public assistance programs. Did you read any of the five links I put up in another post regarding minimum wage vs inflation?
You've been advocating for income equality from the start of this thread. Your entire argument is that people in fast food and other menial positions should be paid a fair (i.e. equitable) wage. What you fail to understand is that when you start paying higher wages for these non-skilled, non-educated, non-experienced jobs there will be an impact on wages for jobs that do require skill, education, and experience. Whatever amount you raise the minimum wage by, you can rest assured that people who have put in the time and effort to get an education are going to demand that their pay go up commensurately. This will not result in people making minimum wage being able to afford to raise a family without public assistance. It will actually drive the cost of living up rather than down, result in an adjustment of the federal poverty level, and end up with more taxpayer dollars going to supplement the wages of people making minimum wage.
You posted your links after I had made my previous reply. However, I have read them now, and none of them changes my argument in any fundamental way. As I stated earlier, stop focusing on the amount of money that dead-end jobs pay and start focusing on why people believe that they should make a career out of minimum wage jobs in the first place.
what else do you expect from liberals who believe that the primary purpose of a business is to provide people with jobs and any profits they make are a 'shared resource'.
Ahhh, yet another arch-conservative speaking for liberals as if they were qualified to do so.
NOBODY is saying that the primary purpose of business is to provide employment. We are saying is that companies/corporations have a social responsibility to their communities which have provided them with huge successes by paying their employees a living wage (minimum wage) so that you conservatives will not have to subsidize their employees with public assistance programs, and that the minimum wage should be increased enough to keep pace with inflation. Very simple really. Social responsibility is something you would do well to research.
Exactly. Eventually, even the most liberal 0bama fan-girls get it.
We have heaped so many costly and burdensome taxes, mandates and regulations on businesses and manufacturers, which raises their costs for doing business, and after a awhile, they find they are no longer competitive in the world market, and their future as a business looks glum.
But it does not stop there. Once our manufacturing industry is on the ropes, we have politicians raising the minimum wage, enacting expensive EPA and HHS regulations, and the unions are demanding more wage and benefit increases. Then, when manufacturing goes overseas, those same unions throw a hissy fit and try to get government to punish the manufacturers further.
But according to libs, it's not government's fault that jobs are going away, oh no. We need to squeeze business with more regulations, more mandates, and more punishments, as if we can squeeze blood from the stone
Good points and good post. It's is funny to see cd liberals screaming about jobs and pay rates and they still don't get it.
People spend exorbitant amounts of money on things they don't need. McDonald's raising prices isn't going to stop people from buying their product. To suggest otherwise shows a profound lack of knowledge of how business works.
You've been advocating for income equality from the start of this thread. Your entire argument is that people in fast food and other menial positions should be paid a fair (i.e. equitable) wage. What you fail to understand is that when you start paying higher wages for these non-skilled, non-educated, non-experienced jobs there will be an impact on wages for jobs that do require skill, education, and experience. Whatever amount you raise the minimum wage by, you can rest assured that people who have put in the time and effort to get an education are going to demand that their pay go up commensurately. This will not result in people making minimum wage being able to afford to raise a family without public assistance. It will actually drive the cost of living up rather than down, result in an adjustment of the federal poverty level, and end up with more taxpayer dollars going to supplement the wages of people making minimum wage.
You posted your links after I had made my previous reply. However, I have read them now, and none of them changes my argument in any fundamental way. As I stated earlier, stop focusing on the amount of money that dead-end jobs pay and start focusing on why people believe that they should make a career out of minimum wage jobs in the first place.
Fewer and fewer people have the money to pay exorbitant prices for anything these days.
No, I have not and am not advocating income equality. I would suggest that I know my own mind better than you. I am not advocating an entirely socialist government. I'm supporting a RAISE IN THE MINIMUM WAGE......that is not income equality unless everyone in the country is making minimum wages for their work which I am sure is not the case. I am certainly not making only minimum wage.
Stop trying to tell me what I think. My posts speak for themselves and I think the intelligent members reading this thread can understand very well my position.
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People spend exorbitant amounts of money on things they don't need. McDonald's raising prices isn't going to stop people from buying their product. To suggest otherwise shows a profound lack of knowledge of how business works.
You've been advocating for income equality from the start of this thread. Your entire argument is that people in fast food and other menial positions should be paid a fair (i.e. equitable) wage. What you fail to understand is that when you start paying higher wages for these non-skilled, non-educated, non-experienced jobs there will be an impact on wages for jobs that do require skill, education, and experience. Whatever amount you raise the minimum wage by, you can rest assured that people who have put in the time and effort to get an education are going to demand that their pay go up commensurately. This will not result in people making minimum wage being able to afford to raise a family without public assistance. It will actually drive the cost of living up rather than down, result in an adjustment of the federal poverty level, and end up with more taxpayer dollars going to supplement the wages of people making minimum wage.
You posted your links after I had made my previous reply. However, I have read them now, and none of them changes my argument in any fundamental way. As I stated earlier, stop focusing on the amount of money that dead-end jobs pay and start focusing on why people believe that they should make a career out of minimum wage jobs in the first place.
Why bother going to school at all, when you can do the most menial, unskilled job, and be mandated by law to earn a livable wage?
Ahhh, yet another arch-conservative speaking for liberals as if they were qualified to do so.
NOBODY is saying that the primary purpose of business is to provide employment. We are saying is that companies/corporations have a social responsibility to their communities which have provided them with huge successes by paying their employees a living wage (minimum wage) so that you conservatives will not have to subsidize their employees with public assistance programs, and that the minimum wage should be increased enough to keep pace with inflation. Very simple really. Social responsibility is something you would do well to research.
You talk like people are children?
If this is what you believe go to everyone of those businesses and tell those people to quit. The only way they will raise wages is through need and competition. Another problem is bigger government who takes more from companies leaving less for you.
Again, business are not social institutions. People in the community have a social responsibility to increase their job skills so they can get higher paying jobs. If you didn't do that then you are the failure.
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