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I am a proud liberal and support some socialist programs. As for the answers I might get from doing an "informal poll" of people walking down the street would depend upon what city and what neighborhood in what city I chose to "poll"......
Never said we live in a perfect and completely fair world; however, what is the justification for NOT EVEN TRYING to make it a better world for all people? Big social changes get their start from people demonstrating for changes and improvements. Have you already forgotten the social movement which resulted in the Civil Rights Act so quickly after the 50th anniversary of the MLK speech and march in Washington?
Hopefully we do not live in a world where altruism is completely DEAD.
Altruism is a good thing. Forced altruism is something else.
I am a proud liberal and support some socialist programs. As for the answers I might get from doing an "informal poll" of people walking down the street would depend upon what city and what neighborhood in what city I chose to "poll"......
Never said we live in a perfect and completely fair world; however, what is the justification for NOT EVEN TRYING to make it a better world for all people? Big social changes get their start from people demonstrating for changes and improvements. Have you already forgotten the social movement which resulted in the Civil Rights Act so quickly after the 50th anniversary of the MLK speech and march in Washington?
Hopefully we do not live in a world where altruism is completely DEAD.
You seem to be confused between minority equality and income equality.
Two totally different concepts.
People should have an equal chance at obtaining income equality....but it's up to them to make it happen once the playing field is equal to obtain it.
A good start for what? What exactly do you plan to accomplish other than simply raising the prices of everything? Dont you understand how it works? Are you old enough to be posting here?
There is no hard and fast RULE that wage increases MUST BE PASSED ON TO THE CUSTOMER. You've just bought that line because it justifies greed and lack of social conscience. That kind of "thinking" allows people to be as greedy as they ever wanted to be with no shame at all. lol
Our economy is now a SERVICE-BASED economy for the most part. If employees working in the service industry are paid so little that they have to depend upon, and indeed do qualify for, public assistance programs, then YOU PERSONALLY are "paying" the needed wages for the big businesses. Are you such a devotee and committed disciple to/of big companies and corporations that you are happy to "tithe" a portion of your tax money to subsidize their employees because they won't pay a wage which allows their employees to support themselves and their families?
Not everyone working at a fast food restaurant needs it to be a "living wage" job. Not everyone working there is a single parent. And actually, it's better that those jobs are on the lower end of the pay scale, because those jobs are perfect as first jobs for teens and young adults.
So one downside to raising the wages at fast food restaurants is that then the teens and young adults can't find those first part time jobs they need in order to get their first work experiences.
And as first jobs, teens shouldn't be making too much money anyway. They end up buying things they don't need, they never learn how to budget and manage their personal finances, and most importantly, they never feel the need to strive for better jobs skills that will turn into a career.
You seem to be confused between minority equality and income equality.
Two totally different concepts.
People should have an equal chance at obtaining income equality....but it's up to them to make it happen once the playing field is equal to obtain it.
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No, I'm not confused. A $15 per hour minimum wage law DOES NOT create INCOME EQUALITY. No one ever said it did. I'm talking about social movements to improve some circumstances for some people at the bottom of the socio-economic level.
When people who have to work at minimum wage jobs qualify for public assistance programs because their income is so low, that is a problem. A big social problem. It needs to be addressed. I believe it was you who posted that many people who work at places like McDonalds have low IQs and that why they work there, they can't do anything else, so the question is, do you think that low IQ people do not deserve a fair shake for hard work and do not deserve to have a family because they have low IQs?
No, I'm not confused. A $15 per hour minimum wage law DOES NOT create INCOME EQUALITY. No one ever said it did. I'm talking about social movements to improve some circumstances for some people at the bottom of the socio-economic level.
When people who have to work at minimum wage jobs qualify for public assistance programs because their income is so low, that is a problem. A big social problem. It needs to be addressed. I believe it was you who posted that many people who work at places like McDonalds have low IQs and that why they work there, they can't do anything else, so the question is, do you think that low IQ people do not deserve a fair shake for hard work and do not deserve to have a family because they have low IQs?
You asked if people forgot MLK's message.
Problem is that his message was about equality of races. He didn't even talk about income.
PS: I never talked about IQ - you have the wrong poster.
Not everyone working at a fast food restaurant needs it to be a "living wage" job. Not everyone working there is a single parent. And actually, it's better that those jobs are on the lower end of the pay scale, because those jobs are perfect as first jobs for teens and young adults.
So one downside to raising the wages at fast food restaurants is that then the teens and young adults can't find those first part time jobs they need in order to get their first work experiences.
And as first jobs, teens shouldn't be making too much money anyway. They end up buying things they don't need, they never learn how to budget and manage their personal finances, and most importantly, they never feel the need to strive for better jobs skills that will turn into a career.
I think you're missing the point here. Minimum wage laws apply to all employers.....not just McDonalds and fast food restaurants. It would include businesses like, for example, WalMart. There are many people working at WalMart stores who are not teenagers and those jobs are not "first-time jobs." There are many ADULTS working for those businesses at minimum wage trying to support themselves and their families. Additionally, when was the last time you went to a fast food place? Did you see anyone working there who was not a teenager? I think you may be unaware of the changes in the world today. This is not the 1950s anymore.
There is no hard and fast RULE that wage increases MUST BE PASSED ON TO THE CUSTOMER. You've just bought that line because it justifies greed and lack of social conscience. That kind of "thinking" allows people to be as greedy as they ever wanted to be with no shame at all. lol
Our economy is now a SERVICE-BASED economy for the most part. If employees working in the service industry are paid so little that they have to depend upon, and indeed do qualify for, public assistance programs, then YOU PERSONALLY are "paying" the needed wages for the big businesses. Are you such a devotee and committed disciple to/of big companies and corporations that you are happy to "tithe" a portion of your tax money to subsidize their employees because they won't pay a wage which allows their employees to support themselves and their families?
If wage increase arent passed onto the consumer, where will it come from.
Problem is that his message was about equality of races. He didn't even talk about income.
PS: I never talked about IQ - you have the wrong poster.
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OMG! The march on Washington led by MLK and others was about JOBS and freedom!!! Did you sleep through American History classes? In fact the "name" of the march makes reference to JOBS. It was about economic and civil rights. See below:
"The March on Washington for Jobs and Freedom or "The Great March on Washington", as styled in a sound recording released after the event,[1][2] was one of the largest political rallies for human rights in United States history[3] and called for civil and economic rights for African Americans."
ETA: "When protestors gathered in the nation’s capital 50 years ago from Wednesday, they had ten concrete demands, one of which was “A national minimum wage act that will give all Americans a decent standard of living.” They also pointed out that research showed that “anything less than $2.00 an hour fails to do this.” A $2 minimum wage would be $15.27 an hour in today’s dollars.
Yet today’s minimum wage stands at $7.25, where it hasn’t budged for four years. And it has in fact fallen in value since Dr. Martin Luther King, Jr. made his “I Have A Dream” speech. If it had kept up with inflation since the 1960s, it would be over $10 an hour.
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In fact the "name" of the march makes reference to JOBS. It was about economic and civil rights. See below: