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Old 09-03-2013, 02:53 PM
 
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Why does it have to be a "zinger?" It's a legitmate question that everyone should ask themselves before sending their people to war.

Am I wrong?
As someone who has been there and got the medal... yea its a bad question.

(desert storm)

 
Old 09-03-2013, 02:56 PM
 
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That's just an emotional reason. There is pretty much no logical reason to get involved in a foreign conflict.
Generally agree with this post.... although in a situation like WW2, if one were to happen again, I can support involvement due to America actually being at tremendous risk

Here though there is no risk, just America trying to be a tough guy again
 
Old 09-03-2013, 02:58 PM
 
Location: The West
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Generally agree with this post.... although in a situation like WW2, if one were to happen again, I can support involvement due to America actually being at tremendous risk

Here though there is no risk, just America trying to be a tough guy again
Exactly. Let the country sort out it's own problem. The US has nothing to gain from invading, but they have many US ctizens' lives to lose.

Unless something happened with Israel.
 
Old 09-03-2013, 02:59 PM
 
Location: New London County, CT
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That's just an emotional reason. There is pretty much no logical reason to get involved in a foreign conflict.
Saving lives and preventing the proliferation of chemical weapons is emotional? Defending helpless people is emotional? Sorry, friend... Where I come from that's called nobel.

Sorry you couldn't find a rational reason to disagree with me.
 
Old 09-03-2013, 03:01 PM
 
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How could you watch the videos of Syrian children suffering and dying after a nerve gas attack by their own government and NOT support a military response? This is unacceptable and the penalty for the Assad Regime must be painful.

Take the politics out of it-- You can't let this atrocity go unanswered.

A measured, limited and very punishing response is warranted.
In the very same manner you watched and even facilitated this:

New Docs Detail U.S. Involvement in Saddam's Nerve Gas Attacks - Abby Ohlheiser - The Atlantic Wire

Sarin use unlikely to alter Iran

So the penalty for the Assad regime must be painful but the Saddam Hussein regime fighting Iran got your willing assistance to do the very same thing even while knowing Saddam had used Sarin to kill up to 10,000 Kurds? Okie dokie.

Yeah right, take the politics out of it ~ NOT FUGGING LIKELY! That's the only reason yor leaders are even giving a crap about this is the POLITICS. It sure ain't about the innocent lives lost, I guarandamntee you!

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Old 09-03-2013, 03:02 PM
 
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I know many don't, but for those that do, what is your reason?

Is the reason good enough for you to put American lives at stake?
I don't, but I absolutely understand those that do. A law or rule is only as good as the enforcement of it. If it isn't enforced, it might as well not exist. It's no use banning chemical weapons if there are no repercussions for using them.

I'm not against Syria being punished for using chemical weapons, I'm just against America being the one that does the punishing. We are too involved in the region already. If the action being taken is in response to the conventions of war being broken, then it should be taken by a disinterested party and not by us. If someone killed a judge's child, the judge presiding over the trial would be a different judge. One of the other Arab states should do it, not us.
 
Old 09-03-2013, 03:06 PM
 
Location: New London County, CT
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In the very same manner you watched and even facilitated this:

New Docs Detail U.S. Involvement in Saddam's Nerve Gas Attacks - Abby Ohlheiser - The Atlantic Wire

Sarin use unlikely to alter Iran

So the penalty for the Assad regime must be painful but the Saddam Hussein regime fighting Iran got your willing assistance to do the very same thing even while knowing Saddam had used Sarin to kill up to 10,000 Kurds? Okie dokie.

Yeah right take the politics out of it ~ NOT FUGGING LIKELY! that's the only reason yor leaders are even giving a crap about this is the POLITICS. It sure ain't about the innocent lives lost, I guarandamntee you!
What are you talking about?

My willing assistance? Not so much.

Same standard should have been applied. Chemical weapons are unacceptable. Period.

Interestingly, during the period you are discussing, St. Ronald Reagan was president. Perhaps you should ask some of the more conservative folks around here why their party didn't react.
 
Old 09-03-2013, 03:20 PM
 
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Saving lives and preventing the proliferation of chemical weapons is emotional? Defending helpless people is emotional? Sorry, friend... Where I come from that's called nobel.

Sorry you couldn't find a rational reason to disagree with me.
So you were a supporter of Bush with Iraq? Same thing applies there since they were deposing a ruthless dictator (Saddam) and defending helpless people

If you were against that and for this, based on your reasoning then you are 100% partisan

Me, I am (was with Bush) against both....no party tells me what is right and wrong unlike what seems like many on this site sadly
 
Old 09-03-2013, 03:21 PM
 
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What are you talking about?

My willing assistance? Not so much.

Same standard should have been applied. Chemical weapons are unacceptable. Period.

Interestingly, during the period you are discussing, St. Ronald Reagan was president. Perhaps you should ask some of the more conservative folks around here why their party didn't react.
Since you are so gung ho about war, perhaps you will be volunteering? USA! USA!
 
Old 09-03-2013, 03:28 PM
 
Location: New London County, CT
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So you were a supporter of Bush with Iraq? Same thing applies there since they were deposing a ruthless dictator (Saddam) and defending helpless people

If you were against that and for this, based on your reasoning then you are 100% partisan

Me, I am (was with Bush) against both....no party tells me what is right and wrong unlike what seems like many on this site sadly
I was for the war in Iraq, yes. I am for attempting to liberate people who are living under a brutal dictator who commits genocide. Obviously, you have to pick and choose your engagements, and you can't save everyone. I am not for the "nation building" attempt that followed.

Many of these situations in the middle east are "no-win" or have little upside, so I support saving people. That helps me sleep at night.

I wasn't for Bush getting us in to the war under false pretenses. Kind of hurt our credibility, don'tyathink?
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