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Old 11-18-2013, 10:37 PM
 
Location: Las Vegas,Nevada
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Originally Posted by urbanlife78 View Post
Hey, I am not the one who is stupid enough to think I can take on the US Military, I am perfectly happy to not have a civil war in this country while you Couch Rambos sit on your computer and try to pretend you wouldn't poop your pants at the first sign of troops.

Oh and you say that the people in the military won't carry out anything illegal, yet they have and do because they were just following orders.
So if you or some solider were order to machine gun a group of pregnant women, I guess you would obey it, right? I mean it is a order?

Why don't you answer the question.

 
Old 11-18-2013, 10:38 PM
 
Location: Portland, Oregon
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You are right I am not, I am however a student of history, and any time you have "just obey the orders" you are given and a disarmed populace it always ends in Democide.

The military oath taken at the time of induction reads:

“I,____________, do solemnly swear (or affirm) that I will support and defend the Constitution of the United States against all enemies, foreign and domestic; that I will bear true faith and allegiance to the same; and that I will obey the orders of the President of the United States and the orders of the officers appointed over me, according to the regulations and the Uniform Code of Military Justice. So help me God”

The Uniform Code of Military Justice (UCMJ) 809.ART.90 (20), makes it clear that military personnel need to obey the “lawful command of his superior officer,” 891.ART.91 (2), the “lawful order of a warrant officer”, 892.ART.92 (1) the “lawful general order”, 892.ART.92 (2) “lawful order”. In each case, military personnel have an obligation and a duty to only obey Lawful orders and indeed have an obligation to disobey Unlawful orders, including orders by the president that do not comply with the UCMJ. The moral and legal obligation is to the U.S. Constitution and not to those who would issue unlawful orders, especially if those orders are in direct violation of the Constitution and the UCMJ.

Are you unaware of The "Nuremberg Defense"

So if you were order to machine gun a group of pregnant women, I guess you would obey it, right? I mean it is a order?

Seeing how you know less the nothing about the military you would understand this how?
Oh see you are assuming I would be the one manning the machine gun....nah, guns aren't my thing and I never did will with following orders from people in the military which is why I never bothered to join.

I still find it funny that you seem to think you would have any chance against the military because you think they would just change sides of the war because you have some crazy notion of patriotism.
 
Old 11-18-2013, 10:39 PM
 
Location: Portland, Oregon
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Urbanlife.. Just for you

To Obey or Not to Obey

Read the part about unlawful orders...
Thanks, I don't know what it has to do with your fictional civil war that will never happen.
 
Old 11-18-2013, 10:39 PM
 
Location: Lost in Texas
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Originally Posted by urbanlife78 View Post
Hey, I am not the one who is stupid enough to think I can take on the US Military, I am perfectly happy to not have a civil war in this country while you Couch Rambos sit on your computer and try to pretend you wouldn't poop your pants at the first sign of troops.

Oh and you say that the people in the military won't carry out anything illegal, yet they have and do because they were just following orders.
In what post did I say I was? Please point it out. I responded to a scenario that you stated. I was in the military. It's been many years, but unlawful orders are something you remembered unless you wanted to spend time in Levinworth with a roomy named Bubba.
 
Old 11-18-2013, 10:40 PM
 
Location: Las Vegas,Nevada
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Oh see you are assuming I would be the one manning the machine gun....nah, guns aren't my thing and I never did will with following orders from people in the military which is why I never bothered to join.

I still find it funny that you seem to think you would have any chance against the military because you think they would just change sides of the war because you have some crazy notion of patriotism.
So if you or some solider were order to machine gun a group of pregnant women, I guess you or any other member of the armed forces would obey it, right? I mean it is a order?

Why don't you answer the question.
 
Old 11-18-2013, 10:42 PM
 
Location: Lost in Texas
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Thanks, I don't know what it has to do with your fictional civil war that will never happen.
No, it was YOUR fictional civil war... I never made any such statement. YOU DID. Once again you are trying to pin your irrational statements onto someone else.. Where I come from that's called lying. You seem very comfortable with it. You also don't know squat about the military and I don't care who in your family was in the military.
 
Old 11-18-2013, 10:42 PM
 
Location: Portland, Oregon
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So if you or some solider were order to machine gun a group of pregnant women, I guess you or any other member of the armed forces would obey it, right? I mean it is a order?

Why don't you answer the question.
I did answer your question....clearly you did not like my answer....your problem.
 
Old 11-18-2013, 10:43 PM
 
Location: Portland, Oregon
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No, it was YOUR fictional civil war... I never made any such statement. YOU DID. Once again you are trying to pin your irrational statements onto someone else.. Where I come from that's called lying. You seem very comfortable with it. You also don't know squat about the military and I don't care who in your family was in the military.
Oh good, I would hate to think you are stupid enough to want to try and start a civil war in our country just so you could die for a silly far right wing cause.
 
Old 11-18-2013, 10:47 PM
 
Location: Las Vegas,Nevada
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I did answer your question....clearly you did not like my answer....your problem.
So if you or some solider were order to machine gun a group of pregnant women, I guess you or any other member of the armed forces would obey it, right? I mean it is a order?

Why don't you answer the question.

Answer it, yes or no?
 
Old 11-18-2013, 10:48 PM
 
Location: Las Vegas,Nevada
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Oh good, I would hate to think you are stupid enough to want to try and start a civil war in our country just so you could die for a silly far right wing cause.
Trust me the "far right wing fighters" along with defecting sectors of the armed force would win.
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