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Old 09-15-2013, 11:52 AM
 
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Though the program is “totally voluntary,” eligible professionals who are not using EHRs by 2015 will see a 1 percent reduction in their Medicare and Medicaid fees each year."


Better start reading that Privacy stuff the doctor's office asks you to sign.



Voluntary with a bribe and a threat.
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Old 09-15-2013, 12:15 PM
 
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Your wife was free to tell whoever wanted the information to shove it, and go somewhere else. It's VOLUNTARY.

There's nothing voluntary about the government taking your private data and sifting it for partisan purposes.
Maybe people ought to think twice before the get on the public dole...Medicare, Medicaid and Childrens health. So a private insurer has the right and you can refuse to be insured but the gubbermint doesn't have that right? How about the VA..you apply for VA and they ask you a few question do you tell the VA "********* and the horse you rode in on?" Medicaid patients I guess can do the same thing. Maybe its time Uncle Sam stopped giving all the free handouts...Medicare, VA, Tricare, Medicaid, Childrens health.
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Old 09-15-2013, 12:19 PM
 
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Maybe people ought to think twice before the get on the public dole...Medicare, Medicaid and Childrens health. So a private insurer has the right and you can refuse to be insured but the gubbermint doesn't have that right? How about the VA..you apply for VA and they ask you a few question do you tell the VA "********* and the horse you rode in on?" Medicaid patients I guess can do the same thing. Maybe its time Uncle Sam stopped giving all the free handouts...Medicare, VA, Tricare, Medicaid, Childrens health.
We're not discussing "public dole".

We're talking about having no option, other than avoiding having any health care, to keep them from spying on that aspect of your life.
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Old 09-15-2013, 12:20 PM
 
Location: Florida
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"According to a solicitation posted by the Department of Health and Human Services on Sept. 4, the CMS is commissioning the National Academy of Sciences to study how best to add social and behavioral factors to electronic health record (EHR) reporting...“It’s including more pay for performance requirements on physicians to collect all sorts of data in order to get government reimbursements,” he said...Though the program is “totally voluntary,” eligible professionals who are not using EHRs by 2015 will see a 1 percent reduction in their Medicare and Medicaid fees each year."

Government Seeking Inclusion of

They are currently collecting that data for Medicare and Medicaid patients and now they want to gather it for everyone.

Remember electronic medical records were squirreled into the Stimulus bill (American Recovery and Reinvestment Act ) that was passed in February 2009, not Obamacare so killing Obamacare won't prevent this.

Better start reading that Privacy stuff the doctor's office asks you to sign.
The title makes it sound like the government will have access to the data, but that does not seem to be the case.
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Old 09-15-2013, 12:20 PM
 
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The right to privacy is a Constitutional protection. Griswold v. Connecticut

Although rights are limited, they are also protected.

The only inalienable rights one has are: Life (if you are alive, that your life not be taken by someone else), Liberty (freedom from the coercion of others) and the pursuit of Happiness (civic virtues and personal attributes).
Huh?

This is nonsense.
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Old 09-15-2013, 03:11 PM
 
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Huh?

This is nonsense.
It was in response to buu and kidkaos and their claims.

So what exactly is non-sense about my comment? Enlighten me.
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Old 09-15-2013, 03:54 PM
 
Location: Maryland about 20 miles NW of DC
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If the Federal Government is pillaried for ever mass murderer, terrorist and wacko who blazes across the American media. Then using everyones behavior and social reocrds to find such individuals and havig real time records of behavior especially deviant behavior like taking an unatural interest in teorrist activities is completely sensible. Afterall when such horrible things haven and our media putzes and the American people throw a temper tantrum and ask why didn't the Feds get these guys behind bars before they struck and killed elementary schoolers,or a plane load of airline or rail passengers or a happy crowd at a multiplex. We either do the work to get the information or the American people need to calm down and accept the real cost of freedom (and a blood stained movie theater or a couple dozen funerals of first graders at Newtown CT is just that price) and roll with the punches and accept them with with pride.
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Old 09-15-2013, 04:03 PM
 
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It was in response to buu and kidkaos and their claims.

So what exactly is non-sense about my comment? Enlighten me.

Sure.

Nowhere in the Constitution is there any mention of "inalienable rights". It's actually in the Declaration of Independence.

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We hold these truths to be self-evident, that all men are created equal, that they are endowed by their Creator with certain unalienable Rights, that among these are Life, Liberty and the pursuit of Happiness.
It doesn't say that "these rights are", it says that "among these rights" are life, liberty, and the pursuit of happiness.

They are NOT our only natural rights, they are merely examples of them. Further, it says they are "self evident". It doesn't take any genius to know what they are, nor does someone have to tell you that you have a right to live, have a right to do what you wish with your life, worship as you please, own things, be secure from authority intruding into your life, etc. You know these things as a consequence of being an intelligent, sentient person.

So, your comments about them being guaranteed? Is silly. There is no guarantee. There are not only 3, there are many - and they are not specific things, they are principles which cover the whole of life itself. We create governments to secure those rights, to prevent them being taken from us. And, if the governments don't do that, we have a right to dissolve them and form better ones that do - and that, too, is an unalienable right.
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Old 09-15-2013, 04:09 PM
 
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If the Federal Government is pillaried for ever mass murderer, terrorist and wacko who blazes across the American media. Then using everyones behavior and social reocrds to find such individuals and havig real time records of behavior especially deviant behavior like taking an unatural interest in teorrist activities is completely sensible. Afterall when such horrible things haven and our media putzes and the American people throw a temper tantrum and ask why didn't the Feds get these guys behind bars before they struck and killed elementary schoolers,or a plane load of airline or rail passengers or a happy crowd at a multiplex. We either do the work to get the information or the American people need to calm down and accept the real cost of freedom (and a blood stained movie theater or a couple dozen funerals of first graders at Newtown CT is just that price) and roll with the punches and accept them with with pride.
Wow... How astoundingly wrong.

The real cost of freedom, is that government IS NOT our nanny. Does NOT seek to determine who will be bad among us and prevent them from being bad.

The REAL cost of freedom is freedom itself, which means full individual responsibility for your own life, your own future, your own security, and your own needs.

The idea that we need to give up our rights... to get freedom... Is beyond stupid.
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Old 09-15-2013, 04:15 PM
 
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Sure.

Nowhere in the Constitution is there any mention of "inalienable rights". It's actually in the Declaration of Independence.



It doesn't say that "these rights are", it says that "among these rights" are life, liberty, and the pursuit of happiness.

They are NOT our only natural rights, they are merely examples of them. Further, it says they are "self evident". It doesn't take any genius to know what they are, nor does someone have to tell you that you have a right to live, have a right to do what you wish with your life, worship as you please, own things, be secure from authority intruding into your life, etc. You know these things as a consequence of being an intelligent, sentient person.

So, your comments about them being guaranteed? Is silly. There is no guarantee. There are not only 3, there are many - and they are not specific things, they are principles which cover the whole of life itself. We create governments to secure those rights, to prevent them being taken from us. And, if the governments don't do that, we have a right to dissolve them and form better ones that do - and that, too, is an unalienable right.
DUH. Now go back and attempt to actually understand why I wrote what I did.
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