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Old 09-26-2013, 11:19 PM
 
Location: Chesapeake Bay
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And if you were around back then would you promote "The Boston Tea Party" or would you choose to continue to pay taxes to the King, without representation?
If I remember correctly something like 1/3rd or less in this country supported the King.

The tea baggers are far fewer than you think.
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Old 09-26-2013, 11:36 PM
 
Location: Chesapeake Bay
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Well that still isn't a good answer for me and I'm sure for many others as well.

Do you know how I know that a piece of legislation that is deemed Constitutional really is not? When it takes away from people being given a choice and the government backs 'em into a wall. That's how.

But you know this and you want it. I just can not for the life of me figure out why it is you want to give them, the money you earn and not have anything private for yourself. You must be tougher skinned than I am, because I can feel the whelps on my back.

Are you people working towards being told what house you can move into through government provisions?
Are you working towards be given a vehicle to drive.
Are you working towards all jobs are government jobs.
Are you working towards making sure the government sees to all of your needs and you never see a penny from the work you have chosen to do?
Are you working towards being enslaved?

Because that is the path and where it leads, if these kinds of laws continue to be accepted by the American people.

It's like every thing the people died to protect, America is giving it back to the government. Their actions and their death, has been in vain.

Good bye private industry and Good bye free market consumer choice. Good bye freedom...may you one day be remembered by some one or at least talked about.
Don't be so dramatic. American consumers are being gouged BIG-TIME by the insurance companies, drug companies and hospitals. They are looking at the almighty dollar, could care less about you, freedoms, America and anything else as long as they make money. And, in fact, have made it a fine art to avoid paying as much as possible to unsuspecting customers such as yourself. And you in turn are paying double to maintain this insanity rather than looking at what other countries are doing that bypass this chaos.

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Old 09-27-2013, 05:18 AM
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Location: Florida
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Reading this thread I'm reminded of the President's statement yesterday: "Of course, the closer we've gotten to this date, the more irresponsible folks who are opposed to this law have become."
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Old 09-27-2013, 05:29 AM
 
Location: Tampa Florida
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Don't be so dramatic. American consumers are being gouged BIG-TIME by the insurance companies, drug companies and hospitals. They are looking at the almighty dollar, could care less about you, freedoms, America and anything else as long as they make money. And, in fact, have made it a fine art to avoid paying as much as possible to unsuspecting customers such as yourself. And you in turn are paying double to maintain this insanity rather than looking at what other countries are doing that bypass this chaos.
It is true, the Ins Cos are advertising for people to sign up. Obamacare is a huge plus for adding millions of new customers. As I have said many times, the GOP issue is they hate that the Law was signed by a Dem, the Repubs wanted to do that.
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Old 09-27-2013, 06:15 AM
 
Location: Long Island, NY
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This president has done nothing but HURT OUR COUNTRY!

His goal for getting in office WAS TO DESTORY THE USA AND BRING IN THE NWO! (The only thing stopping it is that people ARE ARMED and can fight!!)
The use of the word "destory" must have been a Freudian slip. You Republicans have been telling Americans stories for decades. It's about time someone destoried that story.

But if you meant "destroy," that's crazy talk. The idea that trying to find a solution to American health care woes, somethings even Republicans believed in two decades ago, you characterize as 'destroying the USA,' is looney bin material.

The fact is Mr. Obama, who apart from the right-wing loonies who think he is a Socialist Anti-Christ, is one of the most centrist presidents we had for a long time. His foreign policy mimics that of G.W. Bush; his healthcare plan is essentially Romneycare on a national level and his domestic policies are less radical than Nixon's.

I see no evidence that anything is destroyed in the USA -- in fact, much has improved.
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Old 09-27-2013, 06:21 AM
 
Location: Long Island, NY
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And, as many others have said, if it is so great, why do they want to exempt themselves from it?
Congres didn't:

Fact Check: Congress, staff are exempt from Obamacare?


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When Obamacare was passed into law, Sen. Charles Grassley, the Iowa Republican, attached language to the bill that mandated members of Congress and their staffers would have to buy health insurance on the newly created health insurance exchanges. What nobody accounted for at the time was that members of Congress and their staffers currently have health insurance through their employer – the federal government. No other employer has been legally required to drop its employee’s health care plan and have them buy coverage on the exchanges.

Like most other large employers, the federal government contributes a portion to the premiums of its employees. In fact, like many employers, the federal government pays most of the premiums for its workers; an average of 72 percent on Capitol Hill. The law didn’t account for the continued employer contribution for these federal workers who would now be buying their insurance on the exchanges. The exchanges were designed to help people without health insurance and people with overly expensive health insurance. It became clear that without their employer contribution, members and their staffers would essentially be getting a cut in pay and benefits equal to thousands of dollars. Even Grassley, the provision’s author, had said the government should continue to contribute to lawmakers’ and staffers’ premiums. What the Obama administration has done is ruled that the congressional workers will continue to receive the employer contribution to help them buy their insurance on the exchange.

VERDICT:
False. Congress is no more exempt than any other employer who drops coverage and then helps employees purchase insurance on the exchanges.
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Old 09-27-2013, 09:13 AM
 
Location: Tampa Florida
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A young lady demonstrates the Repub reaction to their last desperate efforts ....


US Air Force Girl gets tazed - YouTube
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Old 09-27-2013, 10:12 AM
 
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Why is it when I see this I keep thinking of "The Boston Tea Party" and why it was all that tea was dumped into the water.
Because the Crown had lowered taxes on tea and thus undercut a very profitable tea smuggling operation, yes. Not exactly sure how it applies here, though?
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Old 09-27-2013, 10:15 AM
 
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I see no evidence that anything is destroyed in the USA -- in fact, much has improved.
No and all the ppl who are ASLEEP do not see whats going on either!!
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Old 09-27-2013, 10:25 AM
 
Location: Long Island, NY
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No and all the ppl who are ASLEEP do not see whats going on either!!
So please enlighten me as to what has been destroyed.
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