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Old 09-28-2013, 11:22 AM
 
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On the OTHER hand.....

http://www.forbes.com/sites/peterfer...rst-president/

Economically, Could Obama Be America's Worst President?

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Old 09-28-2013, 11:26 AM
 
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I also especially LOVE the worn-out and debunked meme that Bush cut taxes on the wealthy!!!

This was PROVEN false when Obama wouldn't raise taxes during a recession.

The Democrats were forced to admit that the Bush Tax Cuts were across the board and NOT just for the wealthy. Had Obama removed the Bush Tax Cuts, he'd raise taxes on ALL Americans.

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Old 09-28-2013, 11:33 AM
 
Location: North Pacific
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Maybe math isn't your strong suit. Obama has in fact been in office 4 years 8 months. Unless you are claiming magical powers to tell what's going to happen with the economy in the next 3 years...in which case you ought to make a killing in the market.
Some that know how to do projection analysis do. Based on past precedents I'm sure they are already making their adjusts to their market purchases, so that they don't get their bottoms handed to them on a plate.
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Old 09-28-2013, 11:36 AM
 
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I voted for Obama in 2008 but I doubt I'd vote for Hillary Clinton.
If she makes it and she isn't liked, it will be because she is a woman. I can hear it now, just change color for gender, rinse and repeat.
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Old 09-28-2013, 11:39 AM
 
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If Obama had not had to contend with the RWNJs in congress, and his ideas had been given a chance things would be very different today.

Do you know the REAL reason the RWNJs oppose Obama's ideas with an incredible insanity?????
They fear above all else, that if implemented they would WORK WELL. That is the sole reason they oppose. Just consider for a minute. If they had just let the president run with his agenda in his first term and things worked out as badly as they would have you believe then Romney would now be sitting in the Oval office. The RWNJs only agenda is the protection of the 1%. Nothing else at all matters to them. They would sink the entire nation rather than let one single simple measure through if they thought it would have a negative impact on their masters. It just makes me sick.
What ideas did he have that wasn't a Bush idea in the first place?

The only idea that man has is the one being whispered into his ear.
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Old 09-28-2013, 11:51 AM
 
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Default The President is a Figure Head

What I see Americans doing is they place sole blame for whatever is right or wrong with laws and legislature that gets put on the books on the President.

Yes the President may present the idea. He may follow through on his idea. He may even postulate it to the point to where it looks like he is king.

In all reality there is one thing people seemingly over look:

Presidential Vetoes | US House of Representatives: History, Art & Archives

"The regular veto is a qualified negative veto. The President returns the unsigned legislation to the originating house of Congress within a 10 day period usually with a memorandum of disapproval or a “veto message.†Congress can override the President’s decision if it musters the necessary two–thirds vote of each house. President George Washington issued the first regular veto on April 5, 1792. The first successful congressional override occurred on March 3, 1845, when Congress overrode President John Tyler’s veto of S. 66."

The buck stops with Congress. It always has. Those are the people America needs to look at, yet every time, they see only the President. Is this a conditional response, because if it is, recognize it and make a change.
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Old 09-28-2013, 11:52 AM
 
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More information that will make the Liberals heads explode!

Under Bush's Tax Cuts, the wealthy actually paid MORE taxes and federal revenues were at their highest!!!

DWYER: Bush tax cuts boosted federal revenue - Washington Times

By 2003, Mr. Bush grasped this lesson. In that year, he cut the dividend and capital gains rates to 15 percent each, and the economy responded. In two years, stocks rose 20 percent. In three years, $15 trillion of new wealth was created. The U.S. economy added 8 million new jobs from mid-2003 to early 2007, and the median household increased its wealth by $20,000 in real terms.


But the real jolt for tax-cutting opponents was that the 03 Bush tax cuts also generated a massive increase in federal tax receipts. From 2004 to 2007, federal tax revenues increased by $785 billion, the largest four-year increase in American history. According to the Treasury Department, individual and corporate income tax receipts were up 40 percent in the three years following the Bush tax cuts. And (bonus) the rich paid an even higher percentage of the total tax burden than they had at any time in at least the previous 40 years. This was news to theNew York Times, whose astonished editorial board could only describe the gains as a “surprise windfall.”
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Old 09-28-2013, 11:55 AM
 
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You expect the government to increase your personal income, savings, employment, home ownership, and decrease personal debt?

Maybe you are the socialist
Some people always look to the government and politicians to fix all their problems.
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Old 09-28-2013, 12:09 PM
 
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Some people always look to the government and politicians to fix all their problems.
Yeah....they're called Liberals.

Except when a Democrat they voted for promises to do it and fails miserably.

Then they blame the last Republican in office for not doing it....even if he did!

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Old 09-28-2013, 12:10 PM
 
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Well, let's see. I supported McCain the first time, Obama the second, Although I was supporting Bill Clinton's wife in the primary 2008
I like Mitch McConnell, he is a hard worker but anyone who looks like a Lasulas monkey would have no chance at all of winning in this shallow country. (Then again, Michelle Obama is no looker either)
I cannot imagine her being a president.

Rand Paul and Pat Toomey are among my faves, they are generally level headed if not inexperienced. The last idealistic inexperienced president before Obama was Carter, and he was a failure.
And McConnell and Paul cannot run together on the same ticket as president/Vice President. (If you do not know why, please turn off this forum now. you don't need to be here)

I guess we need to go ahead and get me petitioned to be on the congressional ballot, I'll serve as a conservative democrat, then run in 8 to 12 years with a less conservative republican and we will put an end tp partisan politics once and for all.

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