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Old 09-28-2013, 02:45 AM
 
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You get tax credits based on your income. I think that point has been made at least 5000 times here. Memory malfunction perhaps?

Oh, and I'm glad to see that Republicans suddenly care about low-income Americans. That was a pretty quick turnaround, wasn't it.




As if the Dems haven't put the poor "in chains" for the past 5 decades.
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Old 09-28-2013, 02:47 AM
 
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lets be fair, I don't think premiums are skyrocketing, but it is a complete failure, and I have to wonder why Democrats don't want to fix the problems in it..

Things like limiting hours, nothing to cut costs, etc.



Look how long they have been "fixing" the "War on Poverty" without success.
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Old 09-28-2013, 02:48 AM
 
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Cavuto is started to get scared that Obamacare will not be repealed and as folks understand the law better and benefit from it, they will like it. The right-wingers are starting to freak out. I love it.



I look forward to revisiting this post a couple of years from now and see if you are still singing that tune.
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Old 09-28-2013, 02:57 AM
 
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Are you aware of how tax credits work? It would be subtracted from whatever you owe (or added to your refund) on April 15th. That's my understanding.


Yet you did not understand the post you quoted to as evident in this response.
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Old 09-28-2013, 02:58 AM
 
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Am I the only one that thinks a "sitting President" should actually try sitting in his Oval Office every once in a while and work on the problems, instead of running around the country non-stop to give campaign speeches to High School and college kids? It's Blame,Blame,Blame all the time with him - while he continues to believe that these never ending campaign stump speeches are going to be his winning play. It didn't work in 2010 - it won't work now. People are tired of this same old stuff and now tune him out.

Bloomberg has an interesting new poll ..... the public (Dems, Republicans & Independents) reject by 61% the President's strategy of "non-negotiation".



Harry Reid is doing basically the same thing when he says "There is nothing to talk about". These people live in a very strange bubble of "my way or the highway, and we don't care who is hurts".





He does negotiate with Syria and Iran though while shunning that with Congress.
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Old 09-28-2013, 03:00 AM
 
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This isn't new. Obama has been embarrassing in that way since day 1. This is apart from his policies. Even if you agree with his policies, this is an issue. He just blames and complains too much. It just isn't dignified. It's not a Democrat or a Republican thing, it's an Obama thing. I've lived through Johnson, Nixon, Ford, Carter, Reagan, Bush Sr, Clinton, and Bush Jr. None of them, liberal or conservative, Democrat or Republican, older or younger, Northern or Southern, former businessman, former lawyer, former farmer, or former actor, did anything like what Obama has done with publicly blaming Bush and the Tea Party and congress and Republicans.

Although I disagree with most everything Carter ever did, I credit him with acting dignified during the 70s gas shortages, inflation, and hostage crisis. He didn't go on TV and whine. He didn't blame his Republican predecessor time and time and time again. When Bush Sr had to go back on his "read my lips, no new taxes" pledge after congress refused to pass his budget that didn't contain taxes, he didn't make national speeches about how obstructionist the Democrats in congress were. When Reagan and the Democrat speaker of the house O'Neill reached an immigration compromise and then the Democrats didn't fulfill their end of the compromise, Reagan didn't go on a road tour to blame Democrats as do-nothings. When Clinton lost control of congress during the midterm elections, just like Obama did, he compromised with them on reforming welfare and ended up with a strong budget that was a credit to them both. And when Democrats, who had voted for Iraq, reversed and started attacking Bush Jr over Iraq and the lack of WMD he didn't go on TV and complain about how attacked he was.

Obama disgraces the office with his whining.





Indeed no other President has been this despicable in his behavior.
This ought to be a telling sign to everyone.
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Old 09-28-2013, 03:02 AM
 
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I grew up dirt poor. Every home I lived in we rented for about $100 a month. Trust me, these were not great homes and neighborhoods, I know what it is to be poor. So you need to torch that straw man, and treat people at face value, not demonize them by association.

At minimum, if government wants to promote health care coverage, then their policies should promote and incentivize, not mandate and punish, as 0bamaCare is doing.


Yes, what's wrong with this picture?
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Old 09-28-2013, 03:11 AM
 
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Getting tax credits for ACA depends on your income, not how you manage your money.


So the poor are poor due to how they manage their life?

Quite an assumption you have made there.
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Old 09-28-2013, 03:14 AM
 
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I have no doubt that changes and tweaks will be made to the ACA over time. I think it just annoys people to know that everyone will accept it at some point. Even at it's worst it's not worse than the current model.



Like driving on a tire that has a dozen patches on it.


The current model does not dictate to me what I must do or be taxed on inactivity.


A tax as punishment does not warm my heart or senses.

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Old 09-28-2013, 04:42 AM
 
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I have no doubt that changes and tweaks will be made to the ACA over time. I think it just annoys people to know that everyone will accept it at some point. Even at it's worst it's not worse than the current model.
"Changes and tweaks" are not going to fix this bad law. The only way to "fix" it is to get the government out of our healt care by repealing it.

No matter how it might be "changed or tweaked," it is still too intrusive, involving bureaucrats in what should be private between doctor and patient, and bureaucrats having information on virtually every aspect of our lives.

It still would leave bureaucrats involved in decisions about what treatments we may have, even to the extent of denial of certain treatments, based on age, or other factors; i.e., "death panels." This cannot be denied.

No amount of tinkering ("tweaking") will make this law palatable.
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