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Old 09-27-2013, 10:01 AM
 
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Those living living paycheck-to-paycheck are subsidized. So, one is earning at the poverty rate, for a family of 4, the premium is $1,129 per year.

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Haha.. that's funny.. It shows that i'll get nearly $10,000 a year in subsidies.. oooh the enjoyment of being able to game the system that fools like you celebrate..

Hey MTA, since I pay $0 in income taxes a year, where do you think this money will come from?
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Old 09-27-2013, 10:03 AM
 
Location: Wisconsin
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Why do you -- or any conservative -- suddenly care about the working class? Until any of you answer that question, you have no place to complain about how those people are treated.
I grew up dirt poor. Every home I lived in we rented for about $100 a month. Trust me, these were not great homes and neighborhoods, I know what it is to be poor. So you need to torch that straw man, and treat people at face value, not demonize them by association.

At minimum, if government wants to promote health care coverage, then their policies should promote and incentivize, not mandate and punish, as 0bamaCare is doing.
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Old 09-27-2013, 10:04 AM
 
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Who said you would come out ahead? Also, learn to use punctuation so your sentences aren't 500 words long.
Grammar class again?
Answer me and my posting quit crying...tell me my HC Tax credit isn't someone elses money.Its another government ponzi scam that young people will pay for.
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Old 09-27-2013, 10:06 AM
 
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Are you aware of how tax credits work? It would be subtracted from whatever you owe (or added to your refund) on April 15th. That's my understanding.
So instead of me getting a $4500 refund from the government, I'll get a $14,500 refund from the government, while at the same time paying $0 in federal taxes.

And you don't see a problem with this? Where exactly is that $14,500 coming from?
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Old 09-27-2013, 10:08 AM
 
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I grew up dirt poor. Every home I lived in we rented for about $100 a month. Trust me, these were not great homes and neighborhoods, I know what it is to be poor. So you need to torch that straw man, and treat people at face value, not demonize them by association.

At minimum, if government wants to promote health care coverage, then their policies should promote and incentivize, not mandate and punish, as 0bamaCare is doing.
Your crocodile tears are duly noted. There are umpteen threads on this board with the same people whining about how food stamps and welfare recipients are low-lifes dependent upon government for everything. So don't give me that crap.

What exactly would you do to "promote and 'incentivize' [not a real word]?" Those are meaningless buzzwords. The only way to have the most people covered by medical insurance is to force people to be covered. There is no other way.
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Old 09-27-2013, 10:08 AM
 
Location: Wisconsin
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Haha.. that's funny.. It shows that i'll get nearly $10,000 a year in subsidies.. oooh the enjoyment of being able to game the system that fools like you celebrate..

Hey MTA, since I pay $0 in income taxes a year, where do you think this money will come from?
And $10,000 per family X 20,000,000 families will not cost the taxpayers one dime, because it's freeeeeeee. and that is if the family wants to stop getting free health care from the emergency room and start paying $350 a month to fund their own health care plan.
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Old 09-27-2013, 10:13 AM
 
Location: Wisconsin
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Your crocodile tears are duly noted. There are umpteen threads on this board with the same people whining about how food stamps and welfare recipients are low-lifes dependent upon government for everything. So don't give me that crap.

What exactly would you do to "promote and 'incentivize' [not a real word]?" Those are meaningless buzzwords. The only way to have the most people covered by medical insurance is to force people to be covered. There is no other way.
Did you even read my post? And yet you still trot out your strawman and demonize me by association.

Just stop commenting on anything, you are clueless, bigoted, rigid, and judgmental. My trying to discuss anything with you, would be like a black man trying to reason with a skin head in the KKK. You have already made up your mind who I am, what I believe in, all by applying some ludicrous stereotype you have emblazoned into your brain.
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Old 09-27-2013, 10:15 AM
 
Location: My beloved Bluegrass
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This isn't new. Obama has been embarrassing in that way since day 1. This is apart from his policies. Even if you agree with his policies, this is an issue. He just blames and complains too much. It just isn't dignified. It's not a Democrat or a Republican thing, it's an Obama thing. I've lived through Johnson, Nixon, Ford, Carter, Reagan, Bush Sr, Clinton, and Bush Jr. None of them, liberal or conservative, Democrat or Republican, older or younger, Northern or Southern, former businessman, former lawyer, former farmer, or former actor, did anything like what Obama has done with publicly blaming Bush and the Tea Party and congress and Republicans.

Although I disagree with most everything Carter ever did, I credit him with acting dignified during the 70s gas shortages, inflation, and hostage crisis. He didn't go on TV and whine. He didn't blame his Republican predecessor time and time and time again. When Bush Sr had to go back on his "read my lips, no new taxes" pledge after congress refused to pass his budget that didn't contain taxes, he didn't make national speeches about how obstructionist the Democrats in congress were. When Reagan and the Democrat speaker of the house O'Neill reached an immigration compromise and then the Democrats didn't fulfill their end of the compromise, Reagan didn't go on a road tour to blame Democrats as do-nothings. When Clinton lost control of congress during the midterm elections, just like Obama did, he compromised with them on reforming welfare and ended up with a strong budget that was a credit to them both. And when Democrats, who had voted for Iraq, reversed and started attacking Bush Jr over Iraq and the lack of WMD he didn't go on TV and complain about how attacked he was.

Obama disgraces the office with his whining.
This really sums up my chief frustration with Obama. I want my president to lead, not have tantrums when things don't go exactly his way.
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Old 09-27-2013, 10:16 AM
 
Location: A Nation Possessed
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At minimum, if government wants to promote health care coverage, then their policies should promote and incentivize, not mandate and punish, as 0bamaCare is doing.
Wow, now there is a good idea that the folks who run the country don't seem to be smart enough to figure out. Unfortunately, they tend to favor the whip. We've never gotten past the plantation mentality in Washington, have we.
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Old 09-27-2013, 10:16 AM
 
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Did you even read my post? And yet you still trot out your strawman and demonize me by association.

Just stop commenting on anything, you are clueless, bigoted, rigid, and judgmental. My trying to discuss anything with you, would be like a black man trying to reason with a skin head in the KKK. You have already made up your mind who I am, what I believe in, all by applying some ludicrous stereotype you have emblazoned into your brain.
Yes, I read your post. You said to promote and 'incentivize' healthcare. And I asked how you would do that, and you replied by calling me a bunch of names.

Thanks for the thoughtful comment.
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