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It's already a proven fact that holy order Catholic schools educate students better than public schools do, even after socio-economic status levels are accounted for: Are Private Schools Really Better? - TIME
there is a single data point supporting your position. I would point out there is any number of aspects to a order run school that may not be readily apparent. For instance if you don't do adequately they expel you. Simple as that. I would think any school that removes its bottom five percent each year will do better.
I would tend to agree that a catholic order school is quite a good way to be educated but few of those specialize in the low end...so it is probably hard to generalize about how they do.
I did 7 years of high school and college in catholic order schools.
You have it backwards. I recognize that your point of view is popular nowadays, but it is false. It's the same mentality that says schools fail students instead of students fail schools. A student has to come to school wanting to learn. Parents are supposed to prepare them for this. Too many don't want to put the responsibility of raising children where it belongs: the parents. The schools, no matter how hard they try, can't make children be good students. They can only reinforce what the parents instill in them.
Having good parents is a start and paramount but you also need supports to help prepare students in ways the parents cannot (not in replacing parents.)
They are an alternative to the abysmal public schools. Why not allow any and all alternatives? Why isn't educating each student to the best of their ability/motivation the goal instead of keeping as many as possible trapped in abysmally performing public schools?
The leftist and neo cons(really the same thing) need a large group of the 3 D`s
Dumbed Down
Dependent
Disarmed
They need millions of Americans to be uneducated, dependent, and disarmed in order to rule over the, a educated, independent, and well armed citizenry is what they fear most..
a small but inevitable step down the road of subcontracting for police, teachers, and firemen. the final frontier and last stronghold of the american union.
The counter argument is that the charters siphon off the better students thereby making the public schools worse. And it is reasonably clear that increasing the percentage of difficult students does make the teachers job more difficult and leads to lesser performance by the students in that class.
It is also reported that in NYC the charters are compounding racial isolation. They all tend to be of a single race.
In some of the local situations it appears that some of the charters are basically turning into high end prep schools for the middle class. Location alone can do that pretty well.
If ever student has a voucher then the public schools will be forced to compete or go under..
So everyone should have to suffer for the actions of a very difficult students?
What is the problem with racial isolation? Why should skin color matter? If a school is made of all blacks in a all black area, why is that a problem? Shouldn't we force on results and the quality of education before the failed idea of multiculturalism and diversity? What is of great value the racial make up of a class room or the lessons and knowledge being taught, what will matter most in the market place?
Because school voucher is tantamount to all tax-payers subsidizing private religious schools, I think most Americans are opposed to it. Should Christian and Jewish taxpayers subsidize private Islamic schools in the US that teaches the proselytizing of the Muslim religion and the establishment of Sharia law and courts?
I think if school vouchers are limited strictly to non-discriminatory non-religious private academies that offer scholarships to children from poorer families then most people would not have a problem with the concept.
If public schools are failing to properly educate it's student body, then those public schools need to be improved and reformed. Don't throw the baby out with bath water!
How do you propose that?
They have been giving vast amounts of time and money, they have failed...their time is coming to a close..
If ever student has a voucher then the public schools will be forced to compete or go under..
So everyone should have to suffer for the actions of a very difficult students?
What is the problem with racial isolation? Why should skin color matter? If a school is made of all blacks in a all black area, why is that a problem? Shouldn't we force on results and the quality of education before the failed idea of multiculturalism and diversity? What is of great value the racial make up of a class room or the lessons and knowledge being taught, what will matter most in the market place?
If you don't like public schools then send your kids to private.
If ever student has a voucher then the public schools will be forced to compete or go under..
So everyone should have to suffer for the actions of a very difficult students?
What is the problem with racial isolation? Why should skin color matter? If a school is made of all blacks in a all black area, why is that a problem? Shouldn't we force on results and the quality of education before the failed idea of multiculturalism and diversity? What is of great value the racial make up of a class room or the lessons and knowledge being taught, what will matter most in the market place?
You missed it? We tried separate but equal for about a hundred years. A lot of what you see is the results...and you want to go back to that?
Actually it has nothing to do with multi-culturalism. Those blacks are us...multiple generation American and knowing no other culture. Does that not make you proud?
The ghetto school could do far better if it could easily expel a percentage of its students. We could I suppose set up internment camps and keep those kids from screwing up the others. What would you guess the cost? We could of course throw them out and let them run free. Can you imagine the social cost? And then they all end up incarcerated. Double the size of the prison system? Triple it?
The public school system does not go under. It's low end schools simply ends up with those no one else will take. And they become completely dysfunctional.
And remember a large part of the public school system is quite functional and is not going to lose to charters. So we end up with the well off and good public schools and the bottom of society with non functional ones. And they won't get charter schools...those kids will be bad enough the charters decline.
They have been giving vast amounts of time and money, they have failed...their time is coming to a close..
Hey double the funding in the weakest schools. Half the class size. Provide tight counseling to each student. Supervise the little dears until their head swims. I have no doubt it could be done. Just costs a bit.
But you know if it broke the cycle it is likely well worth it.
If you don't like public schools then send your kids to private.
And what if people cant afford private schools?
Why should children not be given the best possible means of education even if it not benefiting the teacher`s unions?
Why should children be forced to stay in failing schools just so teachers and their unions can make money/keep their monopolies?
Why should we keep throwing money at a system that is not failing, but has already failed?
But you will never answer these questions will you?
We cant let the majority achieve success without offending a few failures, so lets make everyone a failure...
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