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Old 03-29-2014, 11:56 PM
 
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I have seen, my brother is a teacher, I know quite well, and as a tax payer I do have a say... to the unions you have made this problem and you refuse to stand aside, they have either created it, or refuse to aid in solving it.

You are the refusing to answer basic questions, then again deflection is a union tactic.
What questions?
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Old 03-29-2014, 11:57 PM
 
Location: Las Vegas,Nevada
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The school board makes the decisions not unions. And unions have no affect on the school board. Their goal is to look after teachers. Like I said you have no idea what you are talking about.
That is a damn lie and we both know it.

Their goal is look after their income and will destroy anyone who threatens it, its just that simply.

PS way to ignore how students have no idea who Jefferson and Washington are..
I went to my old high school, I was wearing a shirt with Thomas Jefferson on it and George Washington on the back, I had at least 5 students above the age of 15 asking me who is that, and when I told them they had no idea who they were..15 years old..

Lie and ignore the problem, things will get better..
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Old 03-29-2014, 11:57 PM
 
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Not closed minded at all. I am from a family of teachers. You really have no idea what they go through. It's not about unions.
Natalie here in PA they wanted to give vouchers to students in the worse performing school districts in the state, a state I will add that is now spending about $15k per student in both state and local funding. The primary opposition was from the union.
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Old 03-29-2014, 11:58 PM
 
Location: Las Vegas,Nevada
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What questions?
Revisit my posts I will repost them on this post tomorrow...

Then again you will just ignore them..
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Old 03-29-2014, 11:59 PM
 
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I went to my old high school, I was wearing a shirt with Thomas Jefferson on it and George Washington on the back, I had at least 5 students above the age of 15 asking me who is that, and when I told them they had no idea who they were..15 years old..

And unions are to blame for blocking experimentation, chatter schools, private schools eBook/video based lesson plans, if they cant make money they stand like Bull Conner's in front of the education revolution.
Actually we agree on one thing. The experimentation with new concepts has been terrible. And the charter school side is at least as bad as the teachers. We need to do these things with carefully controlled or at least known conditions. Simply starting a charter, even a successful charter, proves very little. Hell the Hawthorne effect alone may make it do well for a few years.

The LA Times sequence on education should be required reading. The most striking thing was that nobody appeared to know who the good and bad teachers were. The study does not really rate the individual teachers but it was able to segregate the upper and the lower individuals. And virtually none were how the parents, teachers or administration would have thought.

So it is reasonably clear we do not know how to identify a good teacher. Given that level of understanding of the profession it is hard to say we know charters is better than...
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Old 03-30-2014, 03:29 AM
 
Location: the very edge of the continent
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Not closed minded at all. I am from a family of teachers. You really have no idea what they go through. It's not about unions.
Public schools are failing to educate many, at all levels. How do teachers feel about that sad fact? Are they proud of dumbing so many down in the name of preserving a failing educational model: trapping kids in schools solely by the criteria of their zip code?
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Old 03-30-2014, 03:39 AM
 
Location: it depends
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Actually we agree on one thing. The experimentation with new concepts has been terrible. And the charter school side is at least as bad as the teachers. We need to do these things with carefully controlled or at least known conditions. Simply starting a charter, even a successful charter, proves very little. Hell the Hawthorne effect alone may make it do well for a few years.

The LA Times sequence on education should be required reading. The most striking thing was that nobody appeared to know who the good and bad teachers were. The study does not really rate the individual teachers but it was able to segregate the upper and the lower individuals. And virtually none were how the parents, teachers or administration would have thought.

So it is reasonably clear we do not know how to identify a good teacher. Given that level of understanding of the profession it is hard to say we know charters is better than...
Ummm if the kids in one school have learned a lot more than the kids in another school you actually do know. I guess teachers cannot figure this out?
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Old 03-30-2014, 03:41 AM
 
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Ummm if the kids in one school have learned a lot more than the kids in another school you actually do know. I guess teachers cannot figure this out?
Quite apparently, they can't.
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Old 03-30-2014, 04:38 AM
 
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Ummm if the kids in one school have learned a lot more than the kids in another school you actually do know. I guess teachers cannot figure this out?
No you do not. You do know which school has the better students.
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Old 03-30-2014, 04:54 AM
 
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No you do not. You do know which school has the better students.
Why not group the better students together so they can learn more?

Why hold their academic progress hostage to the students who don't care about learning and/or are disruptive?
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