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Old 09-29-2013, 10:08 AM
 
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How many poor have joined the middle class since Obama won the first election?
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Old 09-29-2013, 10:16 AM
 
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Repeat: Why did Clinton repeal Glass-Steagall?

He's a Democrap.
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Old 09-29-2013, 10:20 AM
 
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Interesting quote from President Jefferson. I work in accounting and also know the importance of checks and balances, especially necessary when dealing with capitalists.

Overall, right-wingers are sociopaths and extremely power-hungry. They see the middle and working classes as competitors for power and will do anything to destroy us. Their surge from 1981 to 2008 has hopefully been terminated. We have a centre-right president now who has taken positive action on unchecked medical costs, jobs, climate change. I would love him to help labour and to press gun reform after he kicks neocon butt on this budget battle.
we have a president that is far left of center, he is no conservative just like bush43 was no conservative. as for the rich yes they all want to keep their money, and it doesnt matter which side of the political spectrum they are on, they will ALL do what they need to, to keep their money. its complete rubbish to blame one side or the other for the dying of the middle class when the reality is that BOTH SIDES are killing the middle class. if you want to rail against the rich, thats fine, but intellectual honesty is required, you cant blame one side and not blame the other.
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Old 09-29-2013, 10:57 AM
 
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Our domestic enemy has accomplished what no foreign enemy could do with all their military hardware destroy our manufacturing industry,dumbdown our citizens and made US fat $ lazy with no morals.
The fall of modern day Babylon will be the New Dark Ages coming to a neighborhood near you very soon....
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Old 09-29-2013, 11:02 AM
 
Location: New Mexico
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What I don't understand is how and why they get elected? The GOP gets many poor and lower middle votes. They raise money from the same people they step on.

They convince the ignorant and easly-led that every election is about "god, guns, and gays."

If it didn't work, they'd change tactics.
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Old 09-29-2013, 11:15 AM
 
Location: Pluto's Home Town
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Well, I don't think their explicit intent was to destroy the middle class, but through Reaganomics and NAFTA,etc. They effectively did just that. The notions that tax cuts at the top trickle down, that unions are enemies to be destroyed, government jobs are worthless, commie efforts, etc. had the same general effect.

What they did not foresee (or did not care about) was the long-term effects of all their short-term thinking. More profit now, and damn the consequences! Well, the consequences have arrived, and they are learning what we should have already known. Consumption and financial stability of the middle class is the foundation of any strong economy. The middle class tends to spend most of what it gets in goods and services that employ others, and if they earn enough to have some savings too, they are not decimated by market crashes. By destroying the middle class over time, the wealthiest corporate class have undermined the entire economy and the basis for their future profits.
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Old 09-29-2013, 11:21 AM
 
Location: Pluto's Home Town
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we have a president that is far left of center, he is no conservative just like bush43 was no conservative. as for the rich yes they all want to keep their money, and it doesnt matter which side of the political spectrum they are on, they will ALL do what they need to, to keep their money. its complete rubbish to blame one side or the other for the dying of the middle class when the reality is that BOTH SIDES are killing the middle class. if you want to rail against the rich, thats fine, but intellectual honesty is required, you cant blame one side and not blame the other.
This is true for the most part. Rich people got that way by effectively looking after their own interests.

What you tend to see more of on the democratic side is true altruists who want to make the country stronger. They vote against their self-interest, because they feel they have enough, or can see that some things are large than their bank accounts. They almost always have some hypocrisy, to be sure, but they at least support some efforts for working people.

On the Republican side, every tax cut ,outsourcing,etc. seems to be pumped back into the propaganda machinery to cement their advantage. Folks like the Koch Bros. The not only look after themselves, but hire a vast army of goons and spin doctors to reinforce the anti-union, anti-government, anti-gay, anti-minority fear mongering. It is a cynical view, built on pathology (although I have too much, I want more!!!), and shockingly devoid of empathy or social responsibility. I don't see that coming from the Democrats. NAFTA would be the big exception. Clinton sold it, and he owns that one.
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Old 09-29-2013, 11:25 AM
 
Location: Stillwater, Oklahoma
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IT looks like the rich would be against destroying the middle class. No middle class, no one left to buy their made in China junk.
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Old 09-29-2013, 11:26 AM
 
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This is true for the most part. Rich people got that way by effectively looking after their own interests.

What you tend to see more of on the democratic side is true altruists who want to make the country stronger. They vote against their self-interest, because they feel they have enough, or can see that some things are large than their bank accounts. They almost always have some hypocrisy, to be sure, but they at least support some efforts for working people.

On the Republican side, every tax cut ,outsourcing,etc. seems to be pumped back into the propaganda machinery to cement their advantage. Folks like the Koch Bros. The not only look after themselves, but hire a vast army of goons and spin doctors to reinforce the anti-union, anti-government, anti-gay, anti-minority fear mongering. It is a cynical view, built on pathology (although I have too much, I want more!!!), and shockingly devoid of empathy or social responsibility. I don't see that coming from the Democrats. NAFTA would be the big exception. Clinton sold it, and he owns that one.
Hello?

You can't name a single member of the one percent who is a Democrat and who thinks he should be able to dictate how the middle class ought to live?

Or one Hollywood type of the same ilk?

You guys are pathetic delusionals.
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Old 09-29-2013, 11:30 AM
 
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And I love the armchair Constitutional scholars that associate deregulated Capitalism to anything Constitutional.

From the link...
Which proves only that illiterate and ignorant people can't learn until they open their minds.

Which is why being a "liberal" is all about not learning.
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