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Nice try at deflection, now how about answering the question posed or is it just too hard to answer?
As for your "statement", he had his back to them so they did not know A.He was a kid. B.That he did/didn't have his finger on the trigger of a REAL weapon. C. His intentions when he started to turn with said weapon in his hands AFTER being repeatedly told to drop it.
This was a terrible situation for all involved. The only blame that can be affixed here is for removing the identifying marks on the toy that clearly showed it to be a TOY and not REAL.
Had there not been several independent witnesses to their (the cops) repeated requests and other key facts I'd be questioning their actions more but the facts are the facts.
Sometimes bad things happen to good people.
Like I said, the only thing worse than the mudering cops, are the scum who defend the murdering cops.
More if's???? If your daddy was a rich man perhaps you would have a real education that allowed you to think.
You people live in a reality of if's, "If" he had fired a shot, then the police would have had justification to return fire. They were hiding behind cover with their guns aimed and ready to fire.
He was a little boy standing in the open carrying a toy in a non firing position. If they had not acted like such cowards, a child would still be alive.... that is a fact. See the difference?
Ahhh...we need a new rule that cops can't defend themselves until the suspect shoots first.
Might save a few fools with realistic toy guns, but will prolly result in a bunch of dead cops.
But that's what you want, right?
Ahhh...we need a new rule that cops can't defend themselves until the suspect shoots first.
Might save a few fools with realistic toy guns, but will prolly result in a bunch of dead cops.
But that's what you want, right?
What I want is for cops to act like professionals, respect the rights of citizens and stop shooting innocent people because they operate in a atmosphere of not taking any chances.. they get paid to take chances, if they are too afraid to do the job, go do something else.
The truth is being a cop is not that dangerous, they die on the job at about the same rate as taxi drivers, and much less that occupations like fishermen, loggers, pilots, roofers, construction workers, and even garbage workers.
There are risks associated with lots of jobs but that does not keep truly brave people from putting their safety on the line everyday without putting others in harms way the way we see LEO do time and time again. There were a little over 100 LEO killed on the job last year.... LEO killed between 400 and 500 citizens and critically injured thousands more.
Some were shot in their beds when no knock warrants were served on the wrong houses.
Some were shot reaching for their wallets.
Some were shot because they did not understand English, some were mentally disabled, or deaf and did not obey LEO orders.
Some were shot because their cars backfired.
Some like the poor ladies delivering newspapers were simply going about their business when out of sheer cowardice, cops opened fire on them just in case they might have been Dorner.
This has to stop.
By the way, the fool you are talking about was a child, one with their whole life in front of them who was robbed of that chance because a coward did not feel like taking any risk. Your complete contempt for the value of the life of that child is unfortunately the common attitude of LEO concerning the value of all citizens.
The whole episode would have not occurred had the orange muzzle piece not been removed, or if he had placed the "weapon" on the ground as directed.
Lack of respect for the police seems to have been the problem. I have heard of case after case ending up like this lately for the same reason. Police have been given the job of maintaining order. One should obey the police first and settle any questions later.
What I want is for cops to act like professionals, respect the rights of citizens and stop shooting innocent people because they operate in a atmosphere of not taking any chances.. they get paid to take chances, if they are too afraid to do the job, go do something else.
The truth is being a cop is not that dangerous, they die on the job at about the same rate as taxi drivers, and much less that occupations like fishermen, loggers, pilots, roofers, construction workers, and even garbage workers.
There are risks associated with lots of jobs but that does not keep truly brave people from putting their safety on the line everyday without putting others in harms way the way we see LEO do time and time again. There were a little over 100 LEO killed on the job last year.... LEO killed between 400 and 500 citizens and critically injured thousands more.
Some were shot in their beds when no knock warrants were served on the wrong houses.
Some were shot reaching for their wallets.
Some were shot because they did not understand English, some were mentally disabled, or deaf and did not obey LEO orders.
Some were shot because their cars backfired.
Some like the poor ladies delivering newspapers were simply going about their business when out of sheer cowardice, cops opened fire on them just in case they might have been Dorner.
This has to stop.
By the way, the fool you are talking about was a child, one with their whole life in front of them who was robbed of that chance because a coward did not feel like taking any risk. Your complete contempt for the value of the life of that child is unfortunately the common attitude of LEO concerning the value of all citizens.
I better understand your frustration now that you've explained your thinking further. To be honest, I don't disagree with much of what you say...yes there's a BUT coming and here it is.
You cannot apply all the wrongs you list above (and yes they were WRONG) to every situation that happens afterwards.
There are some situations that are a "perfect storm" of bad timing and this particular one seems to be one of those situations.
These are bound to happen given the thousands of contacts LEO's have on a daily basis, it's simple odds.
Truly accidental shootings like car accidents are going to happen as people make bad/flawed choices which make them collide together, sometimes with a fatal outcome. Was there bad intent involved? If not then it's just how life works sometimes and unless we disarm everyone (LEO's included) those events will continue to happen.
Are we increasing living in a police state? Yes, I fully believe we are. Are LEO's becoming more like military than police? Yes, that is very apparent lately. Are laws and enforcement going too far as a whole? Yes and you're seeing a citizenry starting to react to it.
I just saw a statistic that 1 in 4 people have some kind of criminal record which SHOULD be disturbing to everyone.
Do you realize how many people that is? Don't you wonder how that many people became criminals?
Very little is absolutely legal anymore and there's very few things you can do once you get out of bed in the morning that you can't somehow be arrested/cited for depending on who's interpreting the law at the time and their intent.
The bottom line is this particular shooting was a tragedy plain and simple. Several innocent choices led to these people colliding with a fatal outcome.
I better understand your frustration now that you've explained your thinking further. To be honest, I don't disagree with much of what you say...yes there's a BUT coming and here it is.
You cannot apply all the wrongs you list above (and yes they were WRONG) to every situation that happens afterwards.
There are some situations that are a "perfect storm" of bad timing and this particular one seems to be one of those situations.
These are bound to happen given the thousands of contacts LEO's have on a daily basis, it's simple odds.
Truly accidental shootings like car accidents are going to happen as people make bad/flawed choices which make them collide together, sometimes with a fatal outcome. Was there bad intent involved? If not then it's just how life works sometimes and unless we disarm everyone (LEO's included) those events will continue to happen.
Are we increasing living in a police state? Yes, I fully believe we are. Are LEO's becoming more like military than police? Yes, that is very apparent lately. Are laws and enforcement going too far as a whole? Yes and you're seeing a citizenry starting to react to it.
I just saw a statistic that 1 in 4 people have some kind of criminal record which SHOULD be disturbing to everyone.
Do you realize how many people that is? Don't you wonder how that many people became criminals?
Very little is absolutely legal anymore and there's very few things you can do once you get out of bed in the morning that you can't somehow be arrested/cited for depending on who's interpreting the law at the time and their intent.
The bottom line is this particular shooting was a tragedy plain and simple. Several innocent choices led to these people colliding with a fatal outcome.
There are several things that can be done to reverse the trend of increasing police abuse and militarization but the first thing that needs to happen is for the citizens to demand change.
The citizens have the power and the responsibility to correct the excesses of government, but it requires being informed and taking a stand that this kind of incident is unacceptable.
The citizens of this country have for the most part abandoned their duty as citizens to be actively involved and bear the real responsibility for these kind of incidents.
I can fill pages and pages of incidents even more reprehensible than this one like the 92 year old woman who was shot to death in her own bed by police, but so long as the people live in a state of denial, it will fall on deaf ears. That is why discussions like this are important, it puts the truth in peoples faces that they do not want to face.
There are several things that can be done to reverse the trend of increasing police abuse and militarization but the first thing that needs to happen is for the citizens to demand change.
The citizens have the power and the responsibility to correct the excesses of government, but it requires being informed and taking a stand that this kind of incident is unacceptable.
The citizens of this country have for the most part abandoned their duty as citizens to be actively involved and bear the real responsibility for these kind of incidents.
I can fill pages and pages of incidents even more reprehensible than this one like the 92 year old woman who was shot to death in her own bed by police, but so long as the people live in a state of denial, it will fall on deaf ears. That is why discussions like this are important, it puts the truth in peoples faces that they do not want to face.
One has to be careful about what incidents to highlight lest one is considered a shrew or playing chicken little.
Unfortunately there seems to be many people who're more than willing to trade all the excess you describe in exchange for their feeling secure and safe.
The reality (they refuse to see) is their "feeling" is just that, a feeling, not reality.
One has to be careful about what incidents to highlight lest one is considered a shrew or playing chicken little.
Unfortunately there seems to be many people who're more than willing to trade all the excess you describe in exchange for their feeling secure and safe.
The reality (they refuse to see) is their "feeling" is just that, a feeling, not reality.
The vast majority today have replaced the ability to think critically with their "feelings".
There is a reason for that... it is easier for the government to manipulate "feelings" than the truth.
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