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Old 11-26-2007, 12:16 PM
 
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Democrats did then, and still are, not allowing the legislation to come to a vote
Democrats were in the minority. They had no power. Look, when a single party controls all three branches of government, there are no excuses. They control the government. Use the 'nuclear option' to end debate if need be. To blame ANYTHING on the powerless opposition is pure buck-passing, as it would be if the dems somehow swept into control of the government after 2008.

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Allowing Professional Groups to pool and punitive damage award caps were pushed by the WH
Oh? When? To whom? And how hard? 'Leadership' doesn't mean that you express a desire somewhere in a policy paper and call it good. It means you get out there, take the lead, and force the issue.
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Old 11-26-2007, 12:21 PM
 
Location: Pinal County, Arizona
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Oh? When? To whom? And how hard? 'Leadership' doesn't mean that you express a desire somewhere in a policy paper and call it good. It means you get out there, take the lead, and force the issue.
Perhaps you should ask Senator Harry Reid. He is currently LEADING the battle against this legislation
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Old 11-26-2007, 12:28 PM
 
Location: North Cackelacky....in the hills.
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Government does not allow selling health insurance across state lines

Government does not allow groups to "pool"

Etc

Yep
I wonder why?
Seems to be one of those 'none of the government's business' sort of thing.

I am sure there was a good reason,it isn't like the government does things for no reason...
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Old 11-26-2007, 12:30 PM
 
Location: North Cackelacky....in the hills.
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Perhaps those on the left are against it because it offers a solution that doesn't require government involvement?
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Old 11-26-2007, 12:40 PM
 
Location: southern california
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managed health care would work great if you had strong ethics (traditionally taught by the church) and strong unions to keep the silas marners (gold crazy people depicted by george eliot) of the world in check. but you have neither. this is a real problem. we need nationalized health care.
our winner take all version of democracy is not working. rabbi lerner of "the left hand of god" addresses this matter in a very compelling way in his many lectures and his book.
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Old 11-26-2007, 01:10 PM
 
Location: Pinal County, Arizona
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because I am sure people he knows make tons of money from the system as it is, that is the only thing bush cares about, taking care of people he knows, **** the Americans
Actually, that is not true.

The Democrats have clearly be the obstructionists in any meaningful healthcare reform. Many of the Democrats, including some of the current candidates for POTUS, want a completely socialistic healthcare system
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Old 11-26-2007, 01:20 PM
 
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So a person DOES get care....

And will be,if possible cured if the illness is life threatening.
If you have emphezema, and need a respirator to help you breath, you will not get it. If you need drugs to clear your airways, so you can function, go to work, you will not get it. If you are in the midst of a cardiac arrest and are turning blue due to lack of oxygen, you will be treated. As soon as you are stable, you will be booted out the door. Then, a week later, due to lack of treatment, you can go back to the hospital, blue again.

That's not what I call adequate medical care.
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Old 11-26-2007, 01:23 PM
 
Location: Pinal County, Arizona
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If you have emphezema, and need a respirator to help you breath, you will not get it. If you need drugs to clear your airways, so you can function, go to work, you will not get it. If you are in the midst of a cardiac arrest and are turning blue due to lack of oxygen, you will be treated. As soon as you are stable, you will be booted out the door. Then, a week later, due to lack of treatment, you can go back to the hospital, blue again.

That's not what I call adequate medical care.
Sounds like you need to move.

Here in AZ, if one is in a life threatening situation, they will be treated and stabalized, at ANY hospital, regardless of their ability to pay. If they need additional care, such as the kind you mentioned, they will then be referred to other healthcare facilities (could be hospital, health clinic etc) for followup and dispensing of needed appliances or medication - even if they cannot pay
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Old 11-26-2007, 01:39 PM
 
Location: Blankity-blank!
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Sounds like you need to move.

Here in AZ, if one is in a life threatening situation, they will be treated and stabalized, at ANY hospital, regardless of their ability to pay. If they need additional care, such as the kind you mentioned, they will then be referred to other healthcare facilities (could be hospital, health clinic etc) for followup and dispensing of needed appliances or medication - even if they cannot pay
C'mon, this is America! You only get what you can pay for, that applies to EVERYTHING in this great nation. If you can't afford it, you just plain don't get it. Simple as that.
Healthcare is not free. Nothing is free.
So, for those who are sick and have no money, they can just lie down in the gutter and die.
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Old 11-26-2007, 01:43 PM
 
Location: North Cackelacky....in the hills.
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Sounds like you need to move.

Here in AZ, if one is in a life threatening situation, they will be treated and stabalized, at ANY hospital, regardless of their ability to pay. If they need additional care, such as the kind you mentioned, they will then be referred to other healthcare facilities (could be hospital, health clinic etc) for followup and dispensing of needed appliances or medication - even if they cannot pay
Please stop with all the rational posts,it is ruining the hysteria.

Remeber how the news told us old people were forced to eat dog food to survive?
Odd thing is dog food is more money than a lot of canned human food.
Ruined a perfectly good sob story.
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