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That the U-3 calcuation is frequently changed does not change the fact that we've had multiple presidents since Nixon.
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Originally Posted by EddieB.Good
...regardless, there have always been multiple tiers of UE rates. Even if Clinton made some changes, every president since Nixon had used something that wasn't the full unemployment rate.
You're wrong as usual. This issue has been discussed on countless threads using the BLS as source.
The U-3 calculation is not "frequently changed" and it did not change at any time between the Truman and Nixon Administrations (inclusive).
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Originally Posted by EddieB.Good
You do realize......
...that the two of you have done nothing but deflect, dodge and fabricate fantasies on this thread?
Sure....we all know that.
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Originally Posted by EddieB.Good
... there are multiple unemployment tiers that include different classifications, and every president since Nixon used the same tier that Obama is using, right?
Wrong.
Carter was the first president since employment data began to be collected in 1946 during the Truman Administration that asked for, and received, a change in the method of calculations.
Carter justifiably asked for incarcerated persons and military personnel to be removed from the count as
"unemployed."
Incarcerated persons were no longer used in calculations, but military personnel were still counted as "unemployed."
The Reagan Administration was successful in getting the BLS to change military personnel from "unemployed" to "employed."
The next change came in 1994 during the Clinton Administration.
Clinton demanded a change in the definition of "unemployed" from persons seeking employment to only those persons who have sought employment in the last four weeks prior to the survey.
It is also known that Clinton ordered a reduction in the survey number from 60,000 to 50,000 in order to reduce the sample size and skew the unemployment figures to make the Clinton Administration look better.
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Originally Posted by HappyTexan
Don't be so quick to dismiss the changes.
Long term discouraged workers got written out of existence.
That's very pertinent when discussing unemployment.
They don't have jobs do they ? They are unemployed, aren't they ?
And if you counted them today as you did once before it puts this country in a very bad position.
Correct. Only a complete fool would ignore the U-6.
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Originally Posted by HappyTexan
You have a depression going on and some of you don't even see it because you don't see any "food lines".
Exactly....which is why I coined the phrase "Silent Depression" right here on C-D long before anyone else ever did.
In fact, there was a thread in the Economics Forum where some ***** used the phrase "Silent Depression" in an on-line article, and I called up the thread where I had first coined the phrase several years earlier here on C-D.
The other thing I mentioned is that since everything is done on-line, there are no lines at the unemployment offices and other county services, like Food Stamps.
Who needs a reliable source to smell a load of $h1T.
You could lay out irrefutable proof and these folks would deny it. That's the way their brains work. If things are not the way they think they should be, they simply pretend they are. And the thing is, they actually believe their own fantasies. It keeps their yellow brick road unblemished.
For those wondering about changes in unemployment. (i.e. discouraged and marginally attached workers) Unemployment
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The Bureau of Labor Statistics also calculates six alternate measures of unemployment, U1 through U6, that measure different aspects of unemployment:[43]
U1:[44] Percentage of labor force unemployed 15 weeks or longer.
U2: Percentage of labor force who lost jobs or completed temporary work.
U3: Official unemployment rate per the ILO definition occurs when people are without jobs and they have actively looked for work within the past four weeks.[1]
U4: U3 + "discouraged workers", or those who have stopped looking for work because current economic conditions make them believe that no work is available for them.
U5: U4 + other "marginally attached workers", or "loosely attached workers", or those who "would like" and are able to work, but have not looked for work recently.
U6: U5 + Part-time workers who want to work full-time, but cannot due to economic reasons (underemployment).
Note: "Marginally attached workers" are added to the total labour force for unemployment rate calculation for U4, U5, and U6. The BLS revised the CPS in 1994 and among the changes the measure representing the official unemployment rate was renamed U3 instead of U5.[45] In 2013, Representative Hunter proposed that the Bureau of Labor Statistics use the U5 rate instead of the current U3 rate.[46]
Australia sounds worse. LOL
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The exception is in places like Australia where the real IDU (International Definition of Unemployment) rate is approx 28% and the declared rate is approx 4%. In this instance the actual definition of unemployment was altered in 1974 to ignore 1) anyone who had a wife who worked 2) anyone who had money in the bank and 3) anyone who worked more than 2 hours a week in part-time work. The ACTU measured Australian jobs in 2010 and observed that 40% of jobs Australia wide were casual or part-time.
...that the two of you have done nothing but deflect, dodge and fabricate fantasies on this thread?
Sure....we all know that.
Wrong.
Carter was the first president since employment data began to be collected in 1946 during the Truman Administration that asked for, and received, a change in the method of calculations.
Carter justifiably asked for incarcerated persons and military personnel to be removed from the count as
"unemployed."
Incarcerated persons were no longer used in calculations, but military personnel were still counted as "unemployed."
The Reagan Administration was successful in getting the BLS to change military personnel from "unemployed" to "employed."
The next change came in 1994 during the Clinton Administration.
... I used to think you were one of the few intellectually honest Conservatives on here.
According to YOU, since Nixon, there has been a tier of the UE rate that is counts less than every able-bodied person that isn't working?
And according to YOU, Obama has done nothing to change that tier since Clinton?
So when I say that every President since Nixon has used the same tier (U3), please explain how that's deflecting, dodging, and fabricating you pseudo-intellectual fraud.
But then again, you're one of these weird posters that thinks you're above having to defend your posts, so I'm not actually expecting a reply.
Last edited by EddieB.Good; 11-19-2013 at 08:42 AM..
I seem to recall the Census Bureau was under direct control of a different office during the last census. Anyone remember who that was?
Nice attempt to dodge and deflect.
You also did a good job of misleading people....the Census Bureau is operation 24/7.....in addition to the Decennial Census, the Census Bureau conducts a smaller scale census about ever 2 years and then an interim mini-census at 5 years.
The Census Bureau collects a wide range of other information as well.
But most importantly, it is the Census Bureau that conducts the household survey on the 16th day of each month to determine the unemployment rate.
Nice fail for you.
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Originally Posted by jimj
Jeeze, can't we get the truth about anything anymore????
It is not the nature of bureaucracy to be truthful.
Once you allow dictatorial control in bureaucracy....and dictatorial control within the bureaucracy was first initiated by Wilson...the bureaucracy takes on a whole new shape and form, and eventually a life of its own.
At that point, you don't really have bureaucracy, instead you have an oligarchy.
What's the difference between a bureaucratic oligarchy, a white supremacist group and a gardening club?
Nothing really....they each attract a peculiar type of person...and that is what perpetuates their existence.
Recalling correctly....
The topic of the thread is the alleged manipulation of the numbers by two employees. One has agreed to testify before congress on how the numbers before the election were manipulated. Does that concern you?
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... I used to think you were one of the few intellectually honest Conservatives on here. 
