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Old 12-01-2013, 02:14 PM
 
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It prevented the Japanese Armed forces from invading the West Coast.
That there is seriously funny. The 5,000 mile anti-tank ditch known as "the Pacific" might have had a little bit more to do with it.
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Old 12-01-2013, 02:44 PM
 
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I don't think that would be a factor that a foreign army would consider that important.
That's what Russia though when they invaded Afghanistan. If you want to make comparison the US is like Afghanistan on steroids.
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Old 12-01-2013, 03:00 PM
 
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That there is seriously funny. The 5,000 mile anti-tank ditch known as "the Pacific" might have had a little bit more to do with it.
The 2,000 mile anti-tank ditch between Hawaii and Tokyo didn't seem to stop them.
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Old 12-01-2013, 03:16 PM
 
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I'll play. :-)

First of all, guns in the civilians hands do make things more difficult. There's no doubt there.

To be fair to the Japanese, they never fancied invading the USA, not even those crazy ones. They didn't have the resource, manpower or logistics to support such an invasion, not then, not now, not in any foreseeable future. The only fantasy they had was to be able to negotiate a truce after the Pearl Harbor - don't ask me why they thought that way but it was the thought process then.

The only country currently can invade USA is China, and it has the ability, manpower, logistics and resource to do so.

The best way to invade is to start with a high altitude nuclear attack which will generate an enormous EMP, knocking out all but a few hardened electronics. After that, all the tanks, ships and high tech stuff would be useless, and the country is open for invasion.

Now, who says guns aren't useful in modern warfare?

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Old 12-01-2013, 03:17 PM
 
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I don't think that would be a factor that a foreign army would consider that important.
You must of missed the quote a few posts up.

Quite simply:
IT DID.

thee is a similar quote concerning a gernman general as to why the Swiss were left alone.

Quite simply: a firearm is a tool. Just like fire or an ax.
It can be used for good or for evil... But try to live life without fire...

It's just as needful.
You may outsource its use, and have a reasturant cook your food, or a company lighting/heat your house, or a policeman or soldier protect you... But these outsources do not always work.
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Old 12-01-2013, 03:41 PM
 
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The 2,000 mile anti-tank ditch between Hawaii and Tokyo didn't seem to stop them.
Pearl Harbor was considered an extremely difficult operation to pull off to the point that the American military was surprised the Japanese could pull something off like that since the distance was huge. The Japanese themselves barely had enough oil to get back home and that was why they never launched a third salvo to cripple the repair facilities and dry docks. If they did successfully launch a third salvo, the Pacific War would have been prolonged by at least a year.
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Old 12-01-2013, 03:46 PM
 
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To protect our shores from foreign invasion is the duty of our armed forces, and not an armed citizenry. Our nation is not defended by a rabble in arms, but by the citizens united to uphold and defend the Constitution and, if called upon, to serve as required by law. We live under the rule of law and not men, for it is the law that governs, and it is the law that is sovereign.
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Old 12-01-2013, 03:47 PM
 
Location: TX
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I once destroyed ten tanks with a revolver.

In GTA.
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Old 12-01-2013, 03:53 PM
 
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Pearl Harbor was considered an extremely difficult operation to pull off to the point that the American military was surprised the Japanese could pull something off like that since the distance was huge. The Japanese themselves barely had enough oil to get back home and that was why they never launched a third salvo to cripple the repair facilities and dry docks. If they did successfully launch a third salvo, the Pacific War would have been prolonged by at least a year.
Precisely the point: the next attack would be at a place where you would think such attack is impossible.
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Old 12-01-2013, 04:24 PM
 
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Pearl Harbor was considered an extremely difficult operation to pull off to the point that the American military was surprised the Japanese could pull something off like that since the distance was huge. The Japanese themselves barely had enough oil to get back home and that was why they never launched a third salvo to cripple the repair facilities and dry docks. If they did successfully launch a third salvo, the Pacific War would have been prolonged by at least a year.
I wonder why the Japanese didn't have an invasion force to take over and hold the Hawaiian Islands after they bombed the Pacific Fleet? Seems to me that even if they could have held them for a few months they would have set back the US power in the Pacific for a couple of years longer. They could have destroyed what was left of Pearl Harbor and sacked Honolulu and the rest of Hawaii before withdrawing.
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