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Old 12-17-2013, 12:36 PM
 
Location: Tyler, TX
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I wonder what regulated means to you?
Well maintained and in proper working order. That was the meaning when it was written, therefore, in the same context, that's what it means today.

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or militia
Any able bodied man. That was the meaning when it was written, therefore, in the same context, that's what it means today (we can add women to that today, though, in the spirit of the 19th Amendment).
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Old 12-17-2013, 12:38 PM
 
Location: Sango, TN
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....the right of the people to keep and bear arms, shall not be infringed.

Where in the bill of rights does it say this amendment requires a license?
Why is the second amendment the only amendment that you need to get a license for?
Bullets and flying projectiles may break my bones, words will never hurt me.
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Old 12-17-2013, 12:44 PM
 
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well it also says you have to be in a regulated militia

I wonder what regulated means to you?

or militia
A well regulated Militia, being necessary to the security of a free State, the right of the people to keep and bear Arms, shall not be infringed.
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Old 12-17-2013, 12:50 PM
 
Location: Ohio
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....the right of the people to keep and bear arms, shall not be infringed.

Where in the bill of rights does it say this amendment requires a license?
Why is the second amendment the only amendment that you need to get a license for?
If the Obama admin. had it's way, it wouldn't be. They have stopped at nothing to defy every single amendment to the Bill of Rights that they possibly can, what with things such as the NDAA and the like. They constantly defy the first amendment by prohibiting independent news agencies access to events and speeches in favor of their own White House press core. I believe there was even talk of making it so that you had to have an official gov't issued license to be considered a real journalist, effectively giving them control over who is telling the story, marking the end of freedom of the press.
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Old 12-17-2013, 12:53 PM
 
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Legally, we should all be able to own guns.. with technology from 1776.
But even while they were alive and thru decades of supreme court's ruling the basic definition has remained.Its a dangerous argument to say anything regulated then that changes in anyway can't be regulated now. Very slippery slope indeed.
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Old 12-17-2013, 12:54 PM
 
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And we should be entitled to free speech... with technology from 1776.
Touche
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Old 12-17-2013, 12:55 PM
 
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Are you suggesting that any angry schizophrenic who is hearing voices should be allowed to just go out and buy a gun? Interesting.
Just how would filling out paperwork for a license weed out an angry Schizophrenic?

I don't want truly mentally ill folks to have guns, but a license isn't going to detect these people.
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Old 12-17-2013, 12:59 PM
 
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Just how would filling out paperwork for a license weed out an angry Schizophrenic?

I don't want truly mentally ill folks to have guns, but a license isn't going to detect these people.
"Guns don't kill people, people kill people."

Clearly, people--not their guns-- should be registered.
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Old 12-17-2013, 01:02 PM
 
Location: Ohio
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well it also says you have to be in a regulated
militia
Actually it doesn't, but don't let that fact get in your way. It states the militia as a reason why "the Right of the people" shall not be infringed. It doesn't say you have to be connected to a militia, and the Right exists without any militia.



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I wonder what regulated means to you?
Not what you think it means apparently. It means well practiced, well disciplined, and well armed.

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or militia
Any able bodied citizen. That doesn't matter though because there doesn't have to be a militia for the Right to exist, as anyone who has had a 3rd grade language arts class would be able to tell you after they read the amendment.
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Old 12-17-2013, 01:09 PM
 
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Actually it doesn't, but don't let that fact get in your way. It states the militia as a reason why "the Right of the people" shall not be infringed. It doesn't say you have to be connected to a militia.

Ok.

Not what you think it means apparently. It means well practiced, well disciplined, and well armed.

I think it means subject to oversight by elected officials, just like 18th century militias were.

Any able bodied citizen. That doesn't matter though because there doesn't have to be a militia for the Right to exist, as anyone who has had a 3rd grade language arts class would be able to tell you after they read the amendment.

In the 18th century, it would have varied depending upon location. It certainly didn't apply to free blacks or women, white males under or over certain ages, and white males that were exempt from militia service due to their occupation or status as elected officials. It also wouldn't have applied in places like New York City where there was no mandatory militia participation or throughout much of the South where overseers and plantation owners were exempt from militia service.
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