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Old 12-17-2013, 04:58 PM
 
Location: somewhere in the woods
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Originally Posted by Votre_Chef View Post
Already seen it. You think this is the first time it's been posted here?

The people who claim to be second amendment purists are the ones trying to avoid a meaningful discussion.

But let's go over the facts, shall we?

1. "Arms" refers to the all weapons of war. George Washington's letters while Commander in Chief of the Continental Army, his State of the Union addresses in which he uses the term in that context as well as Jefferson's State of the Union addresses in which he uses the term in that context prove that during the period, the word referred to all the weapons of war, and not simply to small arms. Let's be clear on that.

2. Nuclear, chemical and biological weapons are arms. They are the subject of more than one arms treaty.

3. Anyone who claims to be a purist when it comes to Second Amendment must accept the first two points.

4. Anyone who claims to be a purist when it comes to the Second Amendment and agrees that individual citizens should NOT be allowed to possess chemical, nuclear and biological weapons, is not a Second Amendment purist and the wording of that amendment is no longer an acceptable substitute for an argument about why we shouldn't have background checks or waiting periods or why certain weapons should or shouldn't be outlawed outright.

5. The reason #4 is true is because if you agree that Second Amendment does not extend to all "arms" then you've already agreed to compromise when it comes to strictly construing the meaning of the Amendment. You've already agreed that some weapons are simply so dangerous, that the government has the right and the authority in the name of preserving public safety to prohibit individuals from possessing them. The entire point of whathisname's blog "rule" proves that, it's nothing more than a smarmy attempt to avoid what I'm saying right now by simply and arbitrarily moving the goalposts and changing the rules governing the debate, and I don't agree to that.

6. Now, if you're response is to simply wave all this off dismissively, then YOU are the one who doesn't want to have a serious discussion. You don't need to post any more youtube videos. I already know it's ridiculous and impractical for an individual citizen to possess nuclear arms, that's the entire point, but if you're a second amendment purist and you insist we have to abide by a strict construction of the wording of that amendment, then you must support individuals being allowed to possess those arms. If you don't, then you don't get to use the 2nd Amendment as a substitute for an argument any longer.

I hope we're clear now and you get the point.


I am a purist and can tell you that if you can afford it, then you can buy it. I do not care what it is. if you do not want the arm to be made and had by the private citizen, then do not make the materials available to the public.
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Old 12-17-2013, 04:58 PM
 
Location: Chicago
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....the right of the people to keep and bear arms, shall not be infringed.

Where in the bill of rights does it say this amendment requires a license?
Why is the second amendment the only amendment that you need to get a license for?
Because it is the only one that pertains possession of a potentially lethal product.

We regulate all kinds of things, from cars to space heaters to household cleanser. No one argues that regulating those things somehow infringes on people's right to use them. This is a silly argument.
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Old 12-17-2013, 04:59 PM
 
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Because it is the only one that pertains possession of a potentially lethal product.

We regulate all kinds of things, from cars to space heaters to household cleanser. No one argues that regulating those things somehow infringes on people's right to use them. This is a silly argument.

cars and space heaters are not rights. you do not have a right to own or use a car. you have the right to travel, but you can travel all you want without a car.
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Old 12-17-2013, 05:03 PM
 
Location: Los Angeles County, CA
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If left wing gun grabbers think that the 2nd Ammendment is no longer applicable, then they should amend or repeal it.
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Old 12-17-2013, 05:03 PM
 
Location: Ohio
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I see you're having problems with the word "regulated."
Here, I'll help you out.

Adj.1.regulated - controlled or governed according to rule or principle or law; "well regulated industries"; "houses with regulated temperature"unregulated - not regulated; not subject to rule or discipline; "unregulated off-shore fishing"
regulated - definition of regulated by the Free Online Dictionary, Thesaurus and Encyclopedia.

Subject to rule.......need help with that, too?
It means people can't be running around willy-nilly, doing whatever they want. They have to follow the rules.
The word regulated in the amendment applies only to the militia, not the right of the people to keep arms.

Secondly, regulated means well practiced, well drilled, and well armed.

Thirdly, when we consider the intent of the amendment, which is protection, the notion that the founders wanted us to have inferior arms is just moronic....

you fail
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Old 12-17-2013, 05:11 PM
 
Location: USA
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If left wing gun grabbers think that the 2nd Ammendment is no longer applicable, then they should amend or repeal it.
You know very well that the Constitution is almost impossible to amend, even if there is overwhelming support to do so.
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Old 12-17-2013, 05:13 PM
 
Location: Ohio
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You know very well that the Constitution is almost impossible to amend, even if there is overwhelming support to do so.
Then I guess your SOL aren't you?
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Old 12-17-2013, 05:13 PM
 
Location: USA
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Originally Posted by All American NYC View Post
....the right of the people to keep and bear arms, shall not be infringed.

Where in the bill of rights does it say this amendment requires a license?
Why is the second amendment the only amendment that you need to get a license for?
Clearly one should not require a license to own chemical, biological, or nuclear arms either. Forgetting about the Constitution, do you think it's OK for any of the 314 million people in the US to be able to own an AK-47 or purchase a nuclear bomb if they have the money?
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Old 12-17-2013, 05:16 PM
 
Location: USA
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Then I guess your SOL aren't you?
So let's live like it's 1800 for the rest of time, huh? Should Americans in the year 9000AD have to sit back and call up historians to find out how a small group of men intended for our country to be run?
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Old 12-17-2013, 05:18 PM
 
Location: Ohio
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Clearly one should not require a license to own chemical, biological, or nuclear arms either. Forgetting about the Constitution, do you think it's OK for any of the 314 million people in the US to be able to own an AK-47 or purchase a nuclear bomb if they have the money?
You people with your nuclear warhead arguments....

You guys make yourselves look foolish with this.

lol

And btw, you can own a full auto AK47 if your willing to do all the paperwork, go through the background checks and pay a 200 dollar tax stamp.... Don't know where this idea about full auto weapons being illegal got started. They are perfectly legal but are very expensive.
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