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Old 12-22-2013, 10:21 PM
 
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If I am doing the math right $680,000,000 divided by 315,000,000 is approx $2.1 million per American. Hardly any of that money went to directly relieve Americans from the problem of a health bill the opposite in the end the people are made to pay more and you tell me to trust the government to do the right thing or humanitarian thing and to value life and health?
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uhmmm no.

You are not right. in fact you're so wrong its funny.

its $2.1 dollars per American.
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Old 12-22-2013, 10:31 PM
 
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Liberals will often make the absurd claim that Jesus was a socialist. This they base on some of his teachings, which they take out of their proper context, apply their own interpretation, and then use this misinterpretation to justify their view. It is necessary, therefore, to examine what the bible tells us about wealth and money to arrive at a proper understanding of what Jesus actually taught.

First, if Jesus was a socialist, he was not sinless, as the bible tells us, because socialism is sin, and so is “social justice.” God never intended for everyone to be the same, or to possess the same. He gave some greater abilities than others, according to his divine providence. And he gives to us richly all things to enjoy. And he also, therefore, intended for us to enjoy the wealth he gives us.
The idea that “income inequality” justifies the government taking from one class and redistributing it to another class, perceived to be disadvantaged, for the purpose of income equalization, is a false doctrine, not taught in scripture, but has it’s roots in Marxist/socialism, also known as “collectivism.”

Those who advocate for such government intervention are guilty of class envy, and disdain for people who have more than others. This is called covetousness, which is not only wrong, but it is sin. It does not matter how noble the intent may be. Taking the wealth of one person to give to others is theft, and Jesus never advocated for such a system. Nor did he teach that the wealthy should take a vow of poverty.

The clear teaching of scripture on wealth is that, first of all, everything belongs to God. “The silver is mine, and the gold is mine.” — Haggai 2:8 God owns it all. But he gave us the ability to create wealth for ourselves. — Deut 8:18. Moreover, God has told us that he will give us more, if we prove to be good stewards and we honor Him with what he has given us.

Wealth itself is not evil, but what we do with our wealth reveals the heart. We should not be lovers of money, because if our focus is on achieving wealth, we will not focus on God, who gave it to us. “What do you have that you did not receive?” — 1 Corinthians 4:7

Jesus’ teachings about giving up ones wealth to follow him were a test of the heart, not an instruction. Which was more important; ones wealth, or ones eternal home in the Kingdom of God? Those who could not give up their wealth, walked away sad.

The teachings of Jesus were not different than old testament teachings on wealth, and it has been made clear that God freely gives according to his divine providence. Wealth is a blessing from God.
The problem with the bible is that it's a bunch of writings by many handed down over many generations. Jesus had nothing to do with it. And it wasn't even in english. It has been translated so many times
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Old 12-22-2013, 11:58 PM
 
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Jesus was not a politician
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Old 12-23-2013, 04:11 AM
 
Location: Montreal, Quebec
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I keep thinking how the U.S.A has approximately 315,000,000 people and the government spent over $680,000,000 of the peoples money on a website that was contracted to the 1st lady's friend to where after all those American's lost health care or will have to pay double or triple monthly payments while $680,000,000 went to a business/corporation and those in charge in government and said business scratches each others back.

If I am doing the math right $680,000,000 divided by 315,000,000 is approx $2.1 million per American. Hardly any of that money went to directly relieve Americans from the problem of a health bill the opposite in the end the people are made to pay more and you tell me to trust the government to do the right thing or humanitarian thing and to value life and health?

I think that one time when Jesus saw such corruption and money worship he destroyed the temple and cast out the money changers.
You're not doing your math right. Not even close.
It's more like two bucks apiece, not about $2 MILLION apiece.
Where the hell did you go to school?
No wonder Americans score so miserably on PISA tests.
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Old 12-23-2013, 04:40 AM
 
Location: Where it's cold in winter.
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The problem with the bible is that it's a bunch of writings by many handed down over many generations. Jesus had nothing to do with it. And it wasn't even in english. It has been translated so many times
Tests for historical reliability of both the old and new testaments have been applied (using the same criteria used on all historical documents). They are:
  1. Bibliographical test
  2. Internal evidence test.
  3. External evidence test.

These tests show that we can not only trust the historicity of the bible, but the accuracy of it's transmission.

(Source: "A Ready Defense" — Josh McDowell)

I invite you to investigate for yourself. The book is readily available.
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Old 12-23-2013, 04:47 AM
 
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When I try to reconcile conservative ideology with the teachings of Christ, I can only wonder how the man who gave out the loaves and fishes to the multitude by the Sea of Galilee would not be branded a "liberal" today.
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Old 12-23-2013, 04:47 AM
 
Location: Where it's cold in winter.
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Jesus was a fictional character created to bring order during a time when laws couldn't be enforced as in modern society.
Now, that's a new one.

Sorry, but Jesus was not a fictional character, and bringing order was not the reason for his coming. Jesus came to announce the "good news" (gospel) of salvation (reconciliation of Man to God by His death on the cross, as atonement for sin).
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Old 12-23-2013, 04:52 AM
 
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"Then cried they all again, saying, Not this man, but Barabbas."
John 18:40 (KJV)

. . .

When Christ drove the moneychangers from the temple, that sealed his fate. The Pharisees could put up with a radical teacher who preached selling all one has and giving to the poor; but now he was interfering with business. They had to get rid of him. It would be no different now, for nothing has changed. If Christ returned to earth today, he would be assassinated by Pat Robertson.
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Old 12-23-2013, 04:54 AM
 
Location: Old Bellevue, WA
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Where the hell did you go to school?
No wonder Americans score so miserably on PISA tests.
And the major difference between public schools in US and Canada? No national dept of ed in Canada to muck it up. Ed. is run at the provincial level, the equivalent of which would be state level in the US.

And BTW when calculating the cost of the web site, we ought to factor in that it does not work. Hence the cost per line of working code goes to infinity, and so does the cost of working code per American. So it turns out that lionking actually underestimated, and those who smarmily corrected him were way off too.
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Old 12-23-2013, 05:23 AM
 
Location: Where it's cold in winter.
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When I try to reconcile conservative ideology with the teachings of Christ, I can only wonder how the man who gave out the loaves and fishes to the multitude by the Sea of Galilee would not be branded a "liberal" today.
What is the "conservative ideology" that you find does not reconcile with the teachings of Jesus? Compassion and charity are not the exclusive property of a liberal (in fact, there is plenty of evidence that shows conservatives are more charitable than liberals).

Neither are charity and compassion in any way a hallmark of socialism. Quite the opposite is true (socialism is envious of those who have more, which requires the redistribution of what they have for egalitarian purposes).

The miracles Jesus did were for reasons other than compassion. They were so you may believe that Jesus is the Christ, the Son of God. That is what John tells us in his gospel. John tells us that Jesus performed many other miracles that were not written in his book.

The miracles are the evidence that prove His deity. That was the reason for them.
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