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Old 12-28-2013, 11:13 AM
 
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One filled with compassion and that put's the welfare of it's citizens above all other priorities. That is the function of a nation in the first place.
So you want compassion for all. Regardless how many mistakes they make in life?

Mistake after mistake? Year after year? Rather they get off their lazy couches or not?

When does the compassion stop?

The United States of America was founded on only a few assumptions. That all men were created equally. Pursuit of happiness etc. and the most important important reason for getting away from England was its citizens unhappiness with excessive taxation.
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Old 12-28-2013, 11:27 AM
 
Location: Arizona
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So you want compassion for all. Regardless how many mistakes they make in life?

Mistake after mistake? Year after year? Rather they get off their lazy couches or not?

When does the compassion stop?

The United States of America was founded on only a few assumptions. That all men were created equally. Pursuit of happiness etc. and the most important important reason for getting away from England was its citizens unhappiness with excessive taxation.
The taxation bit came much later on. The people left the old world for two reasons. One was to escape religious persecution and the other was to exploit the resources of a continent and convert the indigenous heathens or kill them.

Your "Excessive Taxation" reason is totally false.
In fact, give me 1, (one) original party who came to this continant because of excess taxation at home.

Oh, and By the way.....I can assure you that nobody has ever said, "I want to grow up and be a drug addled junkie on welfare." Not one person in the history of the world.
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Old 12-28-2013, 11:28 AM
 
Location: Great State of Texas
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So you want compassion for all. Regardless how many mistakes they make in life?

Mistake after mistake? Year after year? Rather they get off their lazy couches or not?

When does the compassion stop?

The United States of America was founded on only a few assumptions. That all men were created equally. Pursuit of happiness etc. and the most important important reason for getting away from England was its citizens unhappiness with excessive taxation.
When we run out of money ?

In 2013 Federal spending was $3.5 trillion
Over $1 trillion of that is for means tested welfare programs.
That's near 33% of the budget going towards welfare.

Federal revenue though is only $2.8 trillion for 2013.
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Old 12-28-2013, 11:31 AM
 
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Someone forgot to tell Democrats that having access to insurance does not guarantee access to a doctor.

More Doctors Rejecting New Medicaid Patients As Program Expands; Posing Threat Of A Shortage

Maybe patients should do the right thing and boycott doctors who don't accept Medicaid patients. Those doctors are shifting those Medicaid patients to other doctors, which is unfair to the doctors who accept Medicaid patients.
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Old 12-28-2013, 11:34 AM
 
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When we run out of money ?

In 2013 Federal spending was $3.5 trillion
Over $1 trillion of that is for means tested welfare programs.
That's near 33% of the budget going towards welfare.

Federal revenue though is only $2.8 trillion for 2013.

Just tax the homes of the poor. They have to live SOMEWHERE and will pay more than half their income for the privilege of having a roof over their head. States are learning this and it's sustainable.
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Old 12-28-2013, 11:39 AM
 
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Obviously you didn't read my post in this thread where it clearly states that "THE STATES HAVE ALWAYS SET THE PAYMENTS FOR MEDICAID". Not the Feds. As of Jan 1st of 2013 in accordance with the ACA all those states that have opted into the Medicaid expansion MUST pay the same rate to Drs. as the Medicare reembursement by law.

Fact is........

Only Republican states that refuse the ACA Medicaid expansion will still be paying doctors sub standard rates. So this thread is really about how republican dominated states are screwing all their doctors who treat poor people in their state.

THAT"S THE TRUTH AND THE FACTS!>

??? So when states start cutting other programs because Medicaid costs are necessarily skyrocketing, we should blame Democrats?
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Old 12-28-2013, 12:00 PM
 
Location: Arizona
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??? So when states start cutting other programs because Medicaid costs are necessarily skyrocketing, we should blame Democrats?
That won't be possible because the Democratic states are the only states that are accepting the Medicaid expansion and it will cost them next to nothing. It will actually provide savings in the long run and I've provided a link.

This thread was started as an indictment of Obamacare because the OP posted an outdated link that stated Drs. were going broke accepting Medicaid patients.

I clearly demonstrated with irrefutable proof that the STATES were the entities that set the Medicaid payments to doctors and Not Obamacare. I also provided links that showed that all those states that accepted the Medicaid expansion were obliged by the terms of the ACA to raise their payment schedules to the levels of Medicare.

What I didn't point out and will now is that the federal government will pay 100% of the expansion until 2016 and then slowly taper off to 90% of the cost of the expansion a few points per year until 2020 where it will stay at 90% reimbursement.

Here's the truth

For states that elect the full expansion of eligibility, the federal government will pay
100 percent of all Medicaid expansion costs between 2014 through 2016, eventually
settling in at 90 percent beginning in 2020 and remaining at that payment range.


Truth is, those states that accept the Medicaid expansion will actually save money over the long haul. Here is a respected medical report of the findings.

http://www.nasmhpd.org/docs/publicat...eportFinal.pdf

So, in the end, it's only those republican states that refuse to expand their coverage of Medicaid that are short changing their doctors who treat the poor.

Are you telling me that republican states would rather save a paltry 10% of the cost of treating their poor citizens and prefer them to go to the emergency room? This attitude speaks volumes about the mean spirited, underhanded, duplicity of the republican machine.

You short change your doctors and refuse to treat your poor and then have the audacity to blame Obamacare.
There is a place in hell reserved for people like that.

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Old 12-28-2013, 12:54 PM
 
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The government needs to force these doctors to treat medicaid patients. It's just like the baker that refused to bake a wedding cake for the homosexual couple. No different. Doctors shouldn't be allowed to discriminate against people based on their government provided insurance.
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Old 12-28-2013, 12:56 PM
 
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The government needs to force these doctors to treat medicaid patients. It's just like the baker that refused to bake a wedding cake for the homosexual couple. No different. Doctors shouldn't be allowed to discriminate against people based on their government provided insurance.
It's different though. Doctors lose money as the reimbursement for government provided health insurance is lower.

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Old 12-28-2013, 12:56 PM
 
Location: Great State of Texas
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That won't be possible because the Democratic states are the only states that are accepting the Medicaid expansion and it will cost them next to nothing. It will actually provide savings in the long run and I've provided a link.
You talk as if there is some free money floating around.

Those millions of new medicaid folks will end up on the Fed tax rolls.
We will all have to pay.

The government doesn't produce any money itself.
It spends our money.
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