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Profits over People again. Not a surprise really. I am 100% for healthcare for everyone for free at that. But government needs to make sure the docs do get paid for their work,can't expect them to help their fellow man just out of the kindness of their heart can we!?
It is terrifying that people like you exist and vote.
Really? Who is going to repair the doctor's car out of the kindness of their hearts? Pay his mortgage? Buy his groceries or send his kids to school? Or do you want the government doing that too?
Are any of those life and death problems? No. You should care for the people in your community whether you know them or not.
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Originally Posted by Volobjectitarian
Health care is not a right. It is a purchased service.
If a buyer cannot afford the service you are selling to them, then do not engage in the trade, as it does not benefit you. Free trade is supposed to be mutually beneficial to the parties therein.
And to AppalachianAmerican -
did the undergrad school the doctor attended educate them out of the kindness of their heart?
did the medical school the doctor attended educate them out of the kindness of their heart?
do all of the people the doctor owes money to, like the public utilities, mortgage lender, various stores for clothing, furnishing, groceries, etc all give the doctor a free pass on what they are owed out of the kindness of their hearts?
do the suppliers of the medical equipment that doctor uses to deliver their health care services provide the equipment for free out of the kindness of their heart?
do the employees of the hospital/office where the doctor works do their work supporting that doctor's delivery of health care for free, out of the kindness of their hearts?
Whole lotta people in the chain of health care delivery, so why is the doctor the only one required to choke on losses out of the kindness of their heart?
Yes Yes I know the talking points of libertarianism. Its a sickness and I have heard it all. god forbid you are poor and need health care in a libertarians world no money means no service. In a correct and sane world EVERYONE would get healthcare free of charge.Along with education. A true government OF the people and BY the people should care whether or not their best and brightest are getting educated to the best of their abilities regardless if they can afford it or not,the state should pick up the tab and in return they can give back to the state for either a period of time like an enlistment in the military or they can choose to do it for the rest of their lives.Same goes for healthcare. It should not depend on your income status as to what healthcare you get every person should get the same high class healthcare.
It is terrifying that people like you exist and vote.
I know.Scares republicans to death doesn't it. What is shocking to me is people like you and the libertarian dude is the fact you could care less if poor people live or die. As long as the corporations get their money and the religious right is taken care of who gives a crap about anyone else. I will NEVER vote republican again and for that matter probably will never vote democrat regardless of the fact the only time I ever have voted democrat was for a Sheriff candidate because I hated the republican running.I may scare you but people such as yourself make me sick to my stomach to think people care so little for the poor and disabled in this country. You hate welfare,healthcare and livable wages for the poor. Yet you want the corporations to have more money and the top 1% to make more and hate unions that try and make things better for the truly down on their luck working person.
Yes Yes I know the talking points of libertarianism. Its a sickness and I have heard it all. god forbid you are poor and need health care in a libertarians world no money means no service. In a correct and sane world EVERYONE would get healthcare free of charge.Along with education. A true government OF the people and BY the people should care whether or not their best and brightest are getting educated to the best of their abilities regardless if they can afford it or not,the state should pick up the tab and in return they can give back to the state for either a period of time like an enlistment in the military or they can choose to do it for the rest of their lives.Same goes for healthcare. It should not depend on your income status as to what healthcare you get every person should get the same high class healthcare.
Yes yes, I know the talking points of Marxism.
Question - why does the nurse, doctor, surgeon et al work for free again?
Question - since the health care provider should deliver high quality health care for free, does the health care provider get all of the things needed to live their life for free in trade?
Question - what if nobody chooses to suffer 12-14 years of college to work for free? How does this national "right" to high quality health care manifest itself?
I am not a Marxist I am a Socialist. Please don't call me a Communist as I am not one. Now I am off to my parents home so the grandkids can open their presents from them and we can enjoy a late xmas dinner with them. I will respond later in depth.
Actually I will reply now.
1.Its not for free,its working for your government aka your fellow man,woman and child. Your community etc. You would get paid by the government. People need to start coming BEFORE profits. Capitalism is a sickness and its killing people.
2.They would get a free education,free healthcare and personally free electricity and water as those are necessities and not luxuries,living in such a society would be better for everyone.
3. Free education for EVERYONE for whatever they wanted to do. Again wouldn't work for free. Do the military work for free? No. They are paid. They would have pride in serving their fellow citizens by providing them with free healthcare and would also be paid handsomely for their skills by the government. The government provides a free education and healthcare its only natural they pay it back in some way. The mentality of such a nation would be totally different as well. No more I am better than them mentality but a everyone in this nation works together to achieve a greater nation mentality.
Now I truly do need to get going. Enjoy the holidays!
I know.Scares republicans to death doesn't it. What is shocking to me is people like you and the libertarian dude is the fact you could care less if poor people live or die.
Neither do you. If you cared, you would deliver health care for free instead of demanding someone else do it.
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Originally Posted by AppalachianAmerican
As long as the corporations get their money and the religious right is taken care of who gives a crap about anyone else. I will NEVER vote republican again and for that matter probably will never vote democrat regardless of the fact the only time I ever have voted democrat was for a Sheriff candidate because I hated the republican running.I may scare you but people such as yourself make me sick to my stomach to think people care so little for the poor and disabled in this country. You hate welfare,healthcare and livable wages for the poor. Yet you want the corporations to have more money and the top 1% to make more and hate unions that try and make things better for the truly down on their luck working person.
You just love making it up as you go along, don't you? Because I don't think anyone should be forced to labor without being compensated means I want corporations to have all the money or that somehow benefits the religious right? Do you read anything you type, and if so, does it really make any logical sense to you?
My stance is that nobody should be forced to labor for the sole benefit of others, neither against their will nor for reduced/zero compensation based on someone else's notions of moral obligation. To demand that they do is to demand that health care providers are a new 2013 version of slaves, or better, the Frederick Douglass "quasi-slave" minus actual physical shackles. This has nothing to do with enriching corporations, nor does it placate the religious right. I am a libertarian, thus I hold the individual's natural rights as first sovereign, above and beyond all others. Nobody has a natural right to the labor of others, but everyone has the natural right of ownership of self. So suggesting that someone should not be forced to labor without voluntarily agreed upon compensation is simply upholding my constant defense of individual natural rights.
Can I now expect some more imaginary demons and devils being claimed as the nefarious force which guides my libertarian thinking, while pure love and compassion drives your desire to rob people at gunpoint and/or enslave them to your whims?
Most of this so far is conjecture. Its more the "sky is falling" without any real proof that people are being harmed. Has anyone actually read in their local newspaper that someone couldnt find a doctor that would take their insurance, Medicare or Medicaid. By the way people know how to find a doctor if they have too. In small towns people have been driving 50-100 miles for medical care for years. I guess if you are a Republican you think the taxpayer should be taken to the cleaners and pay doctors what ever they want. Did you ever hear of looking for the cheapest price? Some people are hypocrites they want government spending cut then when it comes to their Medicare they want the government to open its pocket books...thats the essence of a Tea Partier.
In the town I currently live in I havent heard of one person having trouble finding a doctor? The private insurance plan I am on is just as stingy as Medicare and I didnt have trouble finding a doctor. I went to their website and it gave me a list. In Arizona Carondelet and Banner health went to Governor Brewer and asked for Medicaid expansion.. They were going broke with non-payers. They needed a lifeline and Brewer threw them one. The Tea Party tried to stop it and failed. Kind of miss all the failed petitions sign-ups though with seniors on Medicare trying to stop Medicaid because its socialism.
The problem isn't just the low reimbursement rates its also the amount of time and paperwork it takes to bill to and receive payment from Medi care/caid.
In my experience even with pre-approval for procedures medicare/caid will still argue the charges and take forever to reimburse doctors for not only their work but that of their nurses and staff too.
The problem isn't just the low reimbursement rates its also the amount of time and paperwork it takes to bill to and receive payment from Medi care/caid.
In my experience even with pre-approval for procedures medicare/caid will still argue the charges and take forever to reimburse doctors for not only their work but that of their nurses and staff too.
When some of the ACA plans "flew over" some of the high cost hospitals and clinics who was screaming the loudest? In Washington state Childrens Orthopedic Hospital is threatening to sue because the ACA plans cut them out. I was in a hospital for three days and everytime someone came up and checked on me it cost $500. After three days it was $22,000. Hospitals and doctors charge plenty. I dont feel sorry for them and the reduced rates.
I know.Scares republicans to death doesn't it. What is shocking to me is people like you and the libertarian dude is the fact you could care less if poor people live or die. As long as the corporations get their money and the religious right is taken care of who gives a crap about anyone else. I will NEVER vote republican again and for that matter probably will never vote democrat regardless of the fact the only time I ever have voted democrat was for a Sheriff candidate because I hated the republican running.I may scare you but people such as yourself make me sick to my stomach to think people care so little for the poor and disabled in this country. You hate welfare,healthcare and livable wages for the poor. Yet you want the corporations to have more money and the top 1% to make more and hate unions that try and make things better for the truly down on their luck working person.
I have done more for "the poor and disabled in this country" than most people, and I've got the tax bills to prove it.
As for the rest of your screed, it's nonsense. Conservatives want people to succeed and carry their own weight in society. People like you think those of us who worked hard to get where we're at have some moral obligation to pay for everything the lazy and unsuccessful haven't achieved. You have it ass backwards.
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