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Old 12-28-2013, 12:09 AM
 
Location: OCEAN BREEZES AND VIEWS SAN CLEMENTE
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I have done more for "the poor and disabled in this country" than most people, and I've got the tax bills to prove it.

As for the rest of your screed, it's nonsense. Conservatives want people to succeed and carry their own weight in society. People like you think those of us who worked hard to get where we're at have some moral obligation to pay for everything the lazy and unsuccessful haven't achieved. You have it ass backwards.
You said it right! Ass Backwards, so what do we expect. Most of the logic is pure nonsense.
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Old 12-28-2013, 07:54 AM
 
Location: Va. Beach
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Profits over People again. Not a surprise really. I am 100% for healthcare for everyone for free at that. But government needs to make sure the docs do get paid for their work,can't expect them to help their fellow man just out of the kindness of their heart can we!?
There is a difference between profit, vs losing money.

There was an article about an OBGYN who stopped accepting medicaid. Her re-imbursement was only $5000.00. The cost of the hospital room and staff and materials, ran over $5500.00 meaning her payment of $5000, left her in the hole $500, and she didn't get paid personally for her work either.

So? Your idea is, she should accept the fact that she should PAY out of her pocket and make nothing towards her OWN ability to live because we "can't expect them to help their fellow man just out of the kindness of their heart can we!?". . .

I really believe you need to rethink your stance.
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Old 12-28-2013, 08:11 AM
 
Location: Va. Beach
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Are any of those life and death problems? No. You should care for the people in your community whether you know them or not.
Do you have a job? WHY? Shouldn't you use all your time and effort to care for the people in your community? You don't need a place to live, food to eat, electricity, water, vehicle, or clothes to wear?

I am all for helping out, once I have taken care of my necessities. asking the doctors and their employees to starve, to "care for the people in your community whether you know them or not.", is a noble concept, but not practical in application.
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Old 12-28-2013, 08:23 AM
 
Location: Va. Beach
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Wow really? Wanting free healthcare for all is so terrible... I know. I think it's terrifying that people like you exist and vote. So heartless and uncaring. Healthcare is a right in Europe and they seem to be doing just fine... greedy Americans will just never want someone else having something they have.
OMFG. It's not free! It's paid for by someone. The government doesn't pay for anything, it has NO MONEY, with the SOLE exception of what it gets from people who work.

People in Europe are not doing fine.

Healthcare-associated infections

and then -
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Patients starve and die of thirst on hospital wards

Forty-three hospital patients starved to death last year and 111 died of thirst while being treated on wards, new figures disclose today.

Patients starve and die of thirst on hospital wards - Telegraph

Yup, doing just fine in Europe?

In Canada, waiting for care - How Long Do Canadians Wait for Healthcare? - The Daily Beast
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Old 12-28-2013, 08:28 AM
 
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There is a difference between profit, vs losing money.

There was an article about an OBGYN who stopped accepting medicaid. Her re-imbursement was only $5000.00. The cost of the hospital room and staff and materials, ran over $5500.00 meaning her payment of $5000, left her in the hole $500, and she didn't get paid personally for her work either.

So? Your idea is, she should accept the fact that she should PAY out of her pocket and make nothing towards her OWN ability to live because we "can't expect them to help their fellow man just out of the kindness of their heart can we!?". . .

I really believe you need to rethink your stance.
We should be asking why does it cost so much to have a baby? Once government nationalizes things that they can manage better than private industry that pumps prices up then things will be cheaper.

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Do you have a job? WHY? Shouldn't you use all your time and effort to care for the people in your community? You don't need a place to live, food to eat, electricity, water, vehicle, or clothes to wear?

I am all for helping out, once I have taken care of my necessities. asking the doctors and their employees to starve, to "care for the people in your community whether you know them or not.", is a noble concept, but not practical in application.
Yes. I help my community a lot actually. I give to charities,volunteer etc. You obviously haven't read most of my replies as I already said things that are necessities should be dealt with first but its people before profits. Part of the problem is having private companies pumping the price of stuff up to put profits before people as usual. Once government either cracks down severely on those companies or takes over them in full things will become lower in price. You also need to break the monopoly of international money lenders grip on your economy. Print your own money OR give out certificates that the people will use to buy things made in the country etc. That way the money is staying within the country and it fixes things. I am no fan of Hitler by any means but take a look at how things were done there...I read somewhere they did this very thing. Broke the monopoly of international banks running the money things and did it themselves and it worked pretty well. I am more Socialist than that and think any private companies need to be TIGHTLY controlled to control them from jacking prices up to high to make a buck. Capitalism is evil and pushes people towards caring more for money than for their fellow man.
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Old 12-28-2013, 08:50 AM
 
Location: San Antonio
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Most doctors are just drug pushers. Some mean well, but they eventually become part of the machine.
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Old 12-28-2013, 08:52 AM
 
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Once government nationalizes things that they can manage better than private industry that pumps prices up then things will be cheaper.
Like they're doing so well in Venezuela, eh?

Don't waste your time here folks, it's like arguing with a naïve teenager...
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Old 12-28-2013, 09:01 AM
 
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Like they're doing so well in Venezuela, eh?

Don't waste your time here folks, it's like arguing with a naïve teenager...
They haven't broken the grip of international banking yet. Need to break completely free of them. Any and ALL money issued by a foreign central bank or a bank not controlled and owned by Venezuela must become worthless first and then issue your own certificates and money backed by the government. Also crack down on corporations better. Don't allow them to leave without taxing them heavily and dismantling their companies if they want to live. Once the mentality of profits over people is broken life can be much better.
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Old 12-28-2013, 09:07 AM
 
Location: Great State of Texas
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Profits over People again. Not a surprise really. I am 100% for healthcare for everyone for free at that. But government needs to make sure the docs do get paid for their work,can't expect them to help their fellow man just out of the kindness of their heart can we!?
And just how much "profit" are they raking in ?
Do you even know or are you just parroting what the MSM is telling you ?

Give everyone health care for "free" ?
Who is going to pay the bill for this..the tooth fairy ?
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Old 12-28-2013, 09:09 AM
 
Location: Great State of Texas
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They haven't broken the grip of international banking yet. Need to break completely free of them. Any and ALL money issued by a foreign central bank or a bank not controlled and owned by Venezuela must become worthless first and then issue your own certificates and money backed by the government. Also crack down on corporations better. Don't allow them to leave without taxing them heavily and dismantling their companies if they want to live. Once the mentality of profits over people is broken life can be much better.
Well Maduro is doing just that in Venezuela.
He took over a company and had a liquidation sale and the masses flocked to get their big screen TVs.
Now that company is out of business. So he's moved on to other companies.

What happens when no stores have any inventory left ?
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