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Old 12-31-2013, 02:53 PM
 
Location: Portland, Oregon
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Two people can be married in their hearts and minds and amongst family and friends without a piece of paper making it so..... just say'in
Yes, that is true, but that doesn't make them legally married.
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Old 12-31-2013, 02:56 PM
 
Location: Portland, Oregon
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You just made an excellent argument against gay marriage, and also stated quote clearly why government should get out of the marriage business.
How did I make an argument against gay marriage? Also, the most government is involved in marriage is the issuing of marriage licenses. The only people involved in my marriage are my wife and I.

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Harrier opposes unelected judges making law.

In Loving v Virginia, the justices upheld the law and affirmed marriage as a union of a man and a woman.
Actually that isn't true, in Loving v Virginia, the judges changed the law by saying it is legal for interracial marriages, before that the law said it was illegal until those unelected judges changed the law.
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Old 12-31-2013, 03:17 PM
 
Location: Los Angeles County, CA
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Yes, that is true, but that doesn't make them legally married.
A state may call a couple legally "married", but that doesn't mean that they are actually married.
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Old 12-31-2013, 03:21 PM
 
Location: Los Angeles County, CA
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Actually that isn't true, in Loving v Virginia, the judges changed the law by saying it is legal for interracial marriages, before that the law said it was illegal until those unelected judges changed the law.
The fact is that they upheld the law, unless you are trying to say that black people didn't actually have the right to be free, and they didn't have the right to not be institutionally discriminated against, as you seemed to say when you stated that in your opinion, Dred Scott v Sanford and Plessy v Ferguson were decided correctly.
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Old 12-31-2013, 03:44 PM
 
Location: Portland, Oregon
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A state may call a couple legally "married", but that doesn't mean that they are actually married.
I think it does....and I also don't think Harrier understands the meaning of the law if he thinks that those married in states where gay marriage is legal is somehow not married. Though technically there is the possibility that Harrier meant they are not married if they go to any state that says same sex marriage is illegal, which in that case makes this a federal issue and something that needs to be changed so that same sex marriage is equally represented.
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Old 12-31-2013, 03:45 PM
 
Location: Portland, Oregon
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The fact is that they upheld the law, unless you are trying to say that black people didn't actually have the right to be free, and they didn't have the right to not be institutionally discriminated against, as you seemed to say when you stated that in your opinion, Dred Scott v Sanford and Plessy v Ferguson were decided correctly.
Actually the judges didn't uphold the law, they changed the law. The law before Loving v Virginia outlawed interracial marriage. So why is Harrier okay with judges changing the law there, but not with same sex marriage?
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Old 12-31-2013, 03:48 PM
 
Location: Florida
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Hey that's not all. Do you know they actually ban pot in most states? Fascists.
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Old 01-01-2014, 07:42 AM
 
Location: Charleston, SC metro
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Except that that isn't what is happening, kids are puffing nicotine to get the high from it which most cigarette smokers will tell you lead to addiction. So no they shouldn't be made available to teens.
How about lazy parents get up off their ass and train their children to understand the difference. I am so sick of worthless parents letting government do their job.
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Old 01-01-2014, 09:52 AM
 
Location: Portland, Oregon
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How about lazy parents get up off their ass and train their children to understand the difference. I am so sick of worthless parents letting government do their job.
This isn't something new, kids who have access to cigarettes have been doing this for as long as cigarettes have been around. Typically a child has a higher chance of smoking if their parents smoke.
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Old 01-01-2014, 11:52 AM
 
Location: Los Angeles County, CA
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Actually the judges didn't uphold the law, they changed the law. The law before Loving v Virginia outlawed interracial marriage. So why is Harrier okay with judges changing the law there, but not with same sex marriage?
The supreme law of the land is the U.S. constitution, and that is what the justices upheld.

No change was made - the justices applied the law, and affirmed that marriage is a union between a man and a woman in Loving v Virginia.

In Utah and California, the unelected men in black robes made law - instead of applying the law.
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