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Old 01-13-2014, 02:04 AM
 
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No-one has ever said it does or was ever supposed to. I'm not sure why you keep saying this over and over again.
Because some participants in this thread keep thinking ToE disproves ID. It doesnt.

 
Old 01-13-2014, 02:31 AM
 
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ID not only has to explain origins, it also has to explain the diversity of life as it is today. It can't.
No, it doesn't. It's odd that you would even believe so.
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Maybe you aren't aware of what the hypotheses of ID is?
What you think it is isn't necessarily so. ID theorizes that some features of the natural world, because of their well-ordered complexity, are best explained by an intelligent cause. Such as the inexplicably spontaneous presence of life on our planet when there was none before.

You seem to know very little about that which you're discussing, and your narrowly-scoped preconceived notions are getting in your way.
 
Old 01-13-2014, 02:53 AM
 
Location: Los Angeles County, CA
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Yes it is.
If you truly believe that, then why have you repeatedly refused to answer Harrier's questions?

Why do you believe that there is observable evidence for evolution?

What is your definition of evolution?
 
Old 01-13-2014, 02:56 AM
 
Location: Los Angeles County, CA
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The Bible is not scientific evidence for the age of the earth.
That has nothing to do with the current discussion, which is the validity of evolution as a scientific theory.

Why do you choose to not address the topic under discussion?

Why do you instead go off topic?
 
Old 01-13-2014, 02:58 AM
 
Location: England
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During the Kitzmiller v Dover school board trial, Michael Behe, one of ID's strongest supporters admitted that based on his on own definition of what a scientific theory was, said, under cross, that as far as he was concerned Astrology could be seen as a bona fide scientific theory!
 
Old 01-13-2014, 03:09 AM
 
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During the Kitzmiller v Dover school board trial, Michael Behe, one of ID's strongest supporters admitted that based on his on own definition of what a scientific theory was, said, under cross, that as far as he was concerned Astrology could be seen as a bona fide scientific theory!
Astrology is more convincing than evolution. At least the stars movements are observable.
 
Old 01-13-2014, 03:12 AM
 
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No, it doesn't. It's odd that you would even believe so.
What you think it is isn't necessarily so. ID theorizes that some features of the natural world, because of their well-ordered complexity, are best explained by an intelligent cause. Such as the inexplicably spontaneous presence of life on our planet when there was none before.

You seem to know very little about that which you're discussing, and your narrowly-scoped preconceived notions are getting in your way.
Ah, now I see where you are so confused. Did you get your idea of what ID is from wikipedia or something?
"Intelligent design (ID) is a form of creationism presented by its proponents as a theory that "certain features of the universe and of living things are best explained by an intelligent cause, not an undirected process such as natural selection."
Intelligent design - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

Sweetie, you need to do a lot more research on this topic before going around telling other people they 'know very little".

Try the Discovery Institute to see what they actually claim about ID. With a bit more research and some thought you might see why if the proponents of the ID hypothesis claim an intelligent designer created and designed all life on earth and that the ID hypothesis explains "the development of biological complexity" - (ie "current diversity of life") then their hypothesis needs to explain all the same observations that the ToE does. Unfortunately for them - it doesn't.

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Old 01-13-2014, 03:20 AM
 
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That has nothing to do with the current discussion, which is the validity of evolution as a scientific theory.

Why do you choose to not address the topic under discussion?

Why do you instead go off topic?
Yes it does, because Ken Ham uses the Bible as "evidence" for a 6000 year old earth and Young Earth Creationism and supposed 'evidence' against evolution. And that's what the topic is.

The topic is not about you.
 
Old 01-13-2014, 03:22 AM
 
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This is begging the question now
 
Old 01-13-2014, 03:35 AM
 
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During the Kitzmiller v Dover school board trial, Michael Behe, one of ID's strongest supporters admitted that based on his on own definition of what a scientific theory was, said, under cross, that as far as he was concerned Astrology could be seen as a bona fide scientific theory!
It was an embarrassing moment for him.

He got royally skewered during that trial.

Here is a documentary of the Kitzmiller v Dover trial

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=x2xyrel-2vI

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