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You have a problem understanding? I'm saying what the mom goes through during pregnancy should not trump the father's rights and/or the best interest of the child. I could care less if the "pregnancy" is 50/50 or not. The child that the woman is carrying IS 50/50.
Again with this downplaying pregnancy like it is no big deal....maybe you need to take a health class and learn what it means for a woman to experience pregnancy. Heck, google live birth and watch a baby being born and try to put yourself in her position and then try to tell me that creating a baby is equal to pregnancy and birth.
I find it funny that you blame women for them getting pregnant, but then want to have as much say as they do on whether or not they carry that fetus to term and raise a child. If a woman doesn't want to carry a fetus you helped create to term and raise a baby, that says more about you than her.
I find it funny that it seems that every single point I make some how goes over your head and then by the time it loops back around to you it's completely spun into something totally different than what I originally said. I'm blaming both men and women for mom getting pregnant. I have a problem with the double standard that's applied to men afterwards.
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Again with this downplaying pregnancy like it is no big deal....maybe you need to take a health class and learn what it means for a woman to experience pregnancy. Heck, google live birth and watch a baby being born and try to put yourself in her position and then try to tell me that creating a baby is equal to pregnancy and birth.
Again, you're just talking in circles, and I'm just explaining the same stuff to you over and over again because you have nothing to add.
Let me make it even simpler for you because you are having a hard time comprehending. I agree with you that pregnancy and birth is not 50/50. Okay? Do you understand? Did we finally get that out the way, so that you can not write 10 more post saying the exact same thing?
Next, my point is that the baby that is inside the woman is equally mom's and dad's. So, that's pregnancy = not equal. Baby = equal.
Mom and pregnancy: 100%
Baby inside and outside mom: 50%
I find it funny that it seems that every single point I make some how goes over your head and then by the time it loops back around to you it's completely spun into something totally different than what I originally said. I'm blaming both men and women for mom getting pregnant. I have a problem with the double standard that's applied to men afterwards.
Yet it doesn't sound like it when you focus on blaming the woman. Also, why does it even matter who is to blame with a woman getting pregnant. That is between her and the man who knocked her up.
Again, you're just talking in circles, and I'm just explaining the same stuff to you over and over again because you have nothing to add.
Let me make it even simpler for you because you are having a hard time comprehending. I agree with you that pregnancy and birth is not 50/50. Okay? Do you understand? Did we finally get that out the way, so that you can not write 10 more post saying the exact same thing?
Next, my point is that the baby that is inside the woman is equally mom's and dad's. So, that's pregnancy = not equal. Baby = equal.
Mom and pregnancy: 100%
Baby inside and outside mom: 50%
So that is about 25% man and 75% woman, which sound more accurate.
So that is about 25% man and 75% woman, which sound more accurate.
Took 2 to make the baby. Both should be equally responsible for raising and supporting. It is or at least should be 50/50 irregardless of your 1800s views.
The issue is that the most successful techniques are irreversible, reversible vasectomy procedures are the least successful.
However not to be a smart ass, but, these aren't men who are whining about financially supporting children they want, these are people whining about financially supporting children they have no say in whether they will be born.
Pregnancy/childbirth and the pill are all optional, your proposition is not optional
You don't want to go there, equal protection, if you claim men must be given a vasectomy and have no right over their body, then the same applies to women. You've just successfully overturned legalized abortion in the US.
The issue is quite simple.
Women get to choose whether the pregnancy comes to term, just like currently.
Men get to choose whether they are involved. If they don't want to be provide a legal path where they can remove any legal obligation at the cost of severing any connection with their offspring. Clearly there would need to be punitive procedures for fraud, and irrevocable resumption of obligations (past, current and future) on changes of heart (with consent of the biological parent or legal parents). There also needs to be procedures that protect the mother and child from unwarranted attention from fathers who take that path (because they don't want the financial responsibility), and for the child (or their agent) to at their option find their biological father in future for personal or medical purposes.
I don't know why anyone would have much of a problem with that. It's not affecting womens choice to have children, or not have children at all. it does allow for men to legally remove responsibilities in cases where they disagree with the course set by the mother.
I was being a smart-arse. I know there is no way this would ever happen- although I think more research into reversible methods of birth control for men should be done. It's more of an argument to throw at the pro-lifers who don't seem to have an issue with the government mandating control over a woman's body.
Of course these men have a say if they don't want to be responsible for the children they father- they can keep it zipped, get a vasectomy, use good quality condoms and spermicide in the first place. Just like women should take responsibility too.
What you seem to be basically saying is that men should have the right to not give a stuff if they impregnate a woman and that they can walk away with zero responsibility for their own biological children. It puts 100% responsibility for sex on women. What incentive is that for men to even bother to have safe sex or be careful?
The fact is, once children are born, they need to be raised and supported.
Here's the stats on success rates of vasectomy reversals. Based on this info, but the time a male is in his 30s, his chances of reproducing naturally will decline. He does have the option of freezing sperm, but that's really it.
Leads to overall pregnancy rates of greater than 50%.
Has the greatest chance of success within 3 years of the vasectomy.
Leads to pregnancy only about 30% of the time if the reversal is done 10 years after vasectomy.
With current methods. Which is why I suggested it needs more research. Most research has been around contraception methods for women. If there were better methods of contraception for men they would have better control over whether or not they impregnated a woman.
I wasn't seriously suggesting government mandated reversible vasectomies for all men.
If both the mother and father are equally responsible, why is it that single moms can turn to public assistance for help?
So can single dads.
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