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Old 02-16-2014, 05:21 PM
 
Location: Sango, TN
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Barry Goldwater warned about a lot of things.

Now people confuse Taxed Enough Already with Christian conservative.

It's all a ploy to get your party elected.

Vote third party.
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Old 02-16-2014, 05:22 PM
 
Location: The Republic of Texas
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Barry Goldwater, Republican Senator from Arizona, lost to Johnson in the 1964 Presidential election.
Goldwater was known as "Mr. Conservative" but he would be unelectable in the Republican party today.

"Mark my word, if and when these preachers get control of the [Republican] party, and they're sure trying to do so, it's going to be a terrible damn problem. Frankly, these people frighten me. Politics and governing demand compromise. But these Christians believe they are acting in the name of God, so they can't and won't compromise. I know, I've tried to deal with them."

"When you say "radical right" today, I think of these moneymaking ventures by fellows like Pat Robertson and others who are trying to take the Republican Party away from the Republican Party, and make a religious organization out of it. If that ever happens, kiss politics goodbye."

"On religious issues there can be little or no compromise. There is no position on which people are so immovable as their religious beliefs. There is no more powerful ally one can claim in a debate than Jesus Christ, or God, or Allah, or whatever one calls this supreme being. But like any powerful weapon, the use of God's name on one's behalf should be used sparingly. The religious factions that are growing throughout our land are not using their religious clout with wisdom. They are trying to force government leaders into following their position 100 percent. If you disagree with these religious groups on a particular moral issue, they complain, they threaten you with a loss of money or votes or both.
I'm frankly sick and tired of the political preachers across this country telling me as a citizen that if I want to be a moral person, I must believe in "A," "B," "C" and "D." Just who do they think they are? And from where do they presume to claim the right to dictate their moral beliefs to me?
And I am even more angry as a legislator who must endure the threats of every religious group who thinks it has some God-granted right to control my vote on every roll call in the Senate. I am warning them today: I will fight them every step of the way if they try to dictate their moral convictions to all Americans in the name of "conservatism."

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It was to be expected. Where did you think they were going to go, when the Democrats told them they didn't exist.
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Old 02-16-2014, 05:24 PM
 
Location: Sango, TN
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It was to be expected. Where did you think they were going to go, when the Democrats told them they didn't exist.
That's true. But now Republicans ignore reality so they "don't upset" the base.
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Old 02-16-2014, 05:35 PM
 
Location: texas
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Two lessons totally forgotten by the GOP of today.

Parkingson's/R. Reagan's...D'ont speak ill of another Republican.

W.F Buckley's...Don't nominate the most conservative candidate, nominate the most conservative candidate that can win.

All lost on the GOP of today.

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Old 02-16-2014, 05:50 PM
 
Location: The Republic of Texas
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That's true. But now Republicans ignore reality so they "don't upset" the base.

They do seem to be the party that accepts everyone for who they are, even if it is different views than they. I may not agree with you, but that doesn't mean I have to hate you.
Tolerance.
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Old 02-16-2014, 05:55 PM
 
Location: Houston
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Two lessons totally forgotten by the GOP of today.

Parkingson's/R. Reagan's...D'ont speak ill of another Republican.

W.F Buckley's...Don't nominate the most conservative candidate, nominate the most conservative candidate that can win.

All lost on the GOP of today.
Actually the Republicans have nominated two moderates in a row who got beat.
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Old 02-16-2014, 06:35 PM
 
Location: Sango, TN
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They do seem to be the party that accepts everyone for who they are, even if it is different views than they. I may not agree with you, but that doesn't mean I have to hate you.
Tolerance.
There is a difference between tolerance and ignorance.
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Old 02-16-2014, 06:50 PM
 
Location: Unperson Everyman Land
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Hmm--if the GOP is so inclusive, why are there GOP members lecturing other Republicans to try to be more inclusive? Isn't that the definition of Big Tent?

CPAC 2013: Jeb Bush calls for more inclusive Republican Party - Washington Times

Jeb Bush: Republicans Should Sound 'Inclusive' Without Changing Positions | ThinkProgress

RNC chair: GOP has to be inclusive to win elections


When the usual corporate ***** RINOs speak of inclusiveness they mean amnesty because that's what the country club Republicans need to drive down worker's wages even more.

The reason middle class, working class and poor white males along with the women who marry them don't vote for Democrats is because Democrats hate white males and are just as happy as Republicans to toss working Americans under the bus.

The war for the control of the Republican Party is presented as one between the religious right and secular conservatives and moderates, but that isn't the truth.

The war for control of the Republican Party is one between corporate whores who prop up big spending free traders and bank deregulators of both parties vs. people who work for a living and don't, for whatever reason, happen to hate white males.

For Democrats there is no such conflict.

Those who have no issues with deficit spending, the size and intrusiveness of government, Democrat's wars of choice and an active campaign against white males will continue to find a home in the Democratic Party.

In the end, when the contest between two political organizations is one in which longstanding principle and love of country are willingly sacrificed for a few more votes, Democrat's considerable lead is not so great that the slimiest of the slimy in the GOP can't catch them.
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Old 02-16-2014, 07:05 PM
 
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And democrats warned about Barry Goldwater and gold water warned about Ronald Reagan;your point?Many think Reagan by far the greatest modern president; even many democrats who voted for him second term.
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Old 02-16-2014, 07:15 PM
 
Location: Old Bellevue, WA
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Two lessons totally forgotten by the GOP of today.

Parkingson's/R. Reagan's...D'ont speak ill of another Republican.

W.F Buckley's...Don't nominate the most conservative candidate, nominate the most conservative candidate that can win.

All lost on the GOP of today.
One of the strange things about the left is that they love to laud conservatives who are off the scene. WTF is up with that.

What they don't know is that Buckley and Rush Limbaugh were like this **fingers entwinted**
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