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So you disagree with Politico's decision to query historians? Ok. Lovely. Sounds like sour grapes to me. Perhaps you can call the editors up and give them piece of your mind?? Your discontent falls on deaf ears here.
I disagree with judging a president until well after his term, any historian worth his weight will tell you the same. Did you view Reagan the same when he was running up record deficits, Iran Contra, El Salvador, would you view JFK the same right after the Bay of Pigs. You need to look back on things to get a true perspective, not present day.
Like I said, nice search job but tell me if they indicated his tenure put him in the top 5 presidents would you still be creating a thread, not very objective.
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.....Sorry libs.....Barack Obama just wasn't Mr. Hope and Change after all. Even the far left historians from the nation's elite universities won't give him much more than a mediocre ranking after 6 years........which is astonishing considering what they expected he would be able to accomplish being a well-spoken man of high ambition and even higher rhetoric.
It just didn't work out as planned. A lost opportunity for the first black President, indeed.
Did you actually read all of the historians' comments? It didn't didn't look to me like they were saying he was mediocre ...... more that he was above average but not the best. They were well-balanced in their summaries, but of course the space allotted was too brief to really judge the judges.
True intellectuals don't see the world in only black and white terms.
Obama has lead us out of the second greatest economic collapse Republicans created. FDR in the 30's and now Obama after the 08 collapse. Democratic presidents have historically cleaned up the mess created by Republicans. Not in history since the 1950's have corporations had such cash reserves, so we are poised for continued growth not matter what the doom and gloom ers say.
The Pubs pretty much succeeded in shutting down his hope and change. History will show he was too weak, too willing to seek consensus over destroying his opposition particularly in the beginning. By the time he learned to stand his ground, it was too late to accomplish anything. [MOD CUT/off topic]
Right, and the democrap controlled Senate who won't even debate Obamas agenda after the failure of Obamacare have nothing to do with it.
You're welcome -- the truth is always the most difficult thing for blind loyalists to accept.
And most powerful? Lol.....he's just a harmless puppet, doing the bidding of his Gepetto. Powerful men do what they want, not what they're told.
Thanks for the laugh.
Truth? I read Limbaugh's words and thoughts, nothing more.
Considering that right-wing shills blame Obama for EVERYTHING under the sun, I'd say your "harmless puppet" line is little more than wishful thinking. You want him to be powerless...and you want to scapegoats him for everything too. Pick a lane.
There was not GDP growth on Clinton's last day in office - hence the recession officially started 6 weeks after he left.
That recession that Clinton left would bring unemployment up to 6%.
Industrial investment was down under Clinton's last summer and several other indicators showed a recession was setting in.
OBL was a threat that was ignored by Bill Clinton, despite multiple attacks by his group under Clinton.
The Housing Bubble factually began in 1997 - when housing prices started their big upswing.
Obama specifically blames the deregulation of Glass-Stegall for the current mess as the primary cause -- that was Clinton who was proud to sign that into law.
Obama specifically blames out sourcing for the current mess, Clinton's policy of pushing China through into the WTO and his permanent trade deal has rapidly increased out sourcing and our trade deficit.
Dot Com bubble blew up in Clinton's final months and was left for Bush to feel the effect of.
Entitlement programs kept alluding a fix that is still needed.
You can hide from the facts - but Clinton left a mess...even Obama admits this - only he will say specific policies without attaching them to Clinton.
You are dishonest or simple minded if you can't say that Clinton left a mess. Bush failed. Obama is currently failing, but still has time to turn it around.
Unemployment didn't hit 6% until December 2002, two years after Clinton left office. The "recession" Bush inherited was so mild, it technically doesn't qualify, as the two down quarters were non-consecutive. Attempting to equate this ultra-mild recession to what Obama inherited is just goofy.
Unemployment didn't hit 6% until December 2002, two years after Clinton left office. The "recession" Bush inherited was so mild, it technically doesn't qualify, as the two down quarters were non-consecutive. Attempting to equate this ultra-mild recession to what Obama inherited is just goofy.
You are so biased in favor of your party, you can't even admit that factually a recession was a recession?
Bill Clinton left an economic mess.
The policies that Bill Clinton supported and urged his fellow Democrats to vote for have led to:
-Increased Outsourcing
-Increased Trade Deficit
-China joining the WTO with a permanent trade deal in hand
-Deregulation of Glass-Stegall, Obama blames the banking crisis on this
-A Housing Bubble started forming in 1997
-A Recession factually started 6 weeks after Clinton left office, and during Clinton's last months in office leading indicators were all pointing to it
-Bin Laden was still on the loose after multiple attacks against the US
-Entitlement programs were still left unfixed, I am assuming that like Clinton and Bush, Obama will not have the guts to fix them, so a more painful fix will be left for the next president to attempt
-2 Trillion in new national debt
-Dot Com bubble blew up in Clinton's final months and continued down under GWB's first few months increasing write offs and decreasing revenue from stocks
Factually Clinton left an economic mess and he had bipartisan support in much of the mess creating.
Are you simple minded enough to think that Coolidge left a pristine economy and Hoover single handily broke it all in less than a year? You listen to hyper-partisan propaganda if you didn't realize Clinton left a bit of a mess.
The 1920s were a bubble building.
The 1990s were a bubble building - in stocks, in housing, etc...
At least the 1990s had Baby Boomers in their peak spending years and the boom of the internet.
"Barack Obama knows he’s a man running out of time. Reflecting on his presidential legacy in a long interview with the New Yorker’s David Remnick, Obama said, “at the end of the day we’re part of a long-running story. We just try to get our paragraph right.” For Presidents' Day, Politico Magazine asked a panel of distinguished historians to take up the obvious question this raises: How will Obama’s paragraph read? Did he get it right? What will be his place in history? Here’s what they told us, with some smart framing thoughts from Stephen Sestanovich, a scholar at the Council on Foreign Relations and Columbia University:"
Sorry libs.....Barack Obama just wasn't Mr. Hope and Change after all. Even the far left historians from the nation's elite universities won't give him much more than a mediocre ranking after 6 years........which is astonishing considering what they expected he would be able to accomplish being a well-spoken man of high ambition and even higher rhetoric.
It just didn't work out as planned. A lost opportunity for the first black President, indeed.
You are terrible at math. President Obama was first inaugurated late January 2009. It is now February 2014.
In this universe that is not 6yrs as President. Not even close.
Truth? I read Limbaugh's words and thoughts, nothing more.
Considering that right-wing shills blame Obama for EVERYTHING under the sun, I'd say your "harmless puppet" line is little more than wishful thinking. You want him to be powerless...and you want to scapegoats him for everything too. Pick a lane.
You clearly don't know what you're reading.
Obama gets the blame for what he deserves, but certainly not from the MSM. He is powerless -- he's being told what to do, not doing what he wants to do. I'm not sure what "scapegoats" means.
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