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Old 03-20-2014, 04:28 PM
 
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Really? Seems progressives are horrible in math, and common sense (such as calling all "conservative" the "religious right").
Yes, because as we all know conservatives love the no true scotsman logical fallacy when it comes to other conservatives they disagree with.
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Old 03-20-2014, 05:37 PM
 
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Progressive: Make law after law, to control the people and freedom.

Conservative: Reverse the laws the Progressives make.



There is nothing Progressive about maintaining individual liberties & freedoms.

There is nothing Conservative about restricting or taking individual liberties & freedoms.


So the Christian right doesn't want to ban pot, abortions , pornography, booze on Sundays, prostitution?

Christian right is not in favor of laws curtailing all these behaviors??

Really????
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Old 03-20-2014, 06:35 PM
 
Location: Michigan
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It might have something to do with libertarians being anarchists. Obviously government officials would dislike anarchists.
You need to google "Libertarian" and "anarchist" because you clearly don't know what these terms mean.

Furthermore, you realize that calling Libertarians anarchists is the same as calling liberals communists, right comrade?
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Old 03-20-2014, 06:37 PM
 
Location: Michigan
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Please note that someone's "wasteful" spending is another someone's income.
Correct. Wasteful spending is another someone's income...being wasted.
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Old 03-20-2014, 07:21 PM
 
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I seriously doubt the religious right applies much logic in its decision making processes.

As to progressives there is a whole lot of logic there.

Progressives were for the 19th amendment because many of them were women and logically felt the would be listened to more if they could vote.

Progressives were logical when the put in social security, because they knew that some folks for a variety of reasons, especially in light of bank failures, would be frustrated in their ability to save for retirement and would need some support when they could no longer work.

Progressives were logical in their demands to clean up rivers that caught on fire and protect streams that provided drinking water from heavy metal pollutants.

Progressives were logical when they realized it would be difficult for many people over the age of 65 to get medical insurance and they created medicare.

It was a progressive, LBJ, who took SS and put it on budget instead of leaving it alone and untouchable.

It was Republicans who were for the 19th Amendment.

www.fordham.edu/halsall/.../1920womensvote.html


The Vote in Detail.


The roll call on the amendment follows:

FOR ADOPTION - 36.
Republicans - 36.
Capper, Cummins, Curtis, Edge, Elkins, Fall, Fernald, France, Frelinghuysen, Gronna, Hale, Harding, Johnson, (Cal.,) Jones, (Wash.,) Kellogg, Kenyon, Kayes, La Follette, Lenroot, McCormick, McCumber, McNaty, Nelson, New, Newberry, Norris, Page, Phipps, Poindexter, Sherman, Smoot, Spencer, Sterling, Sutherland, Warren, Watson.

Democrats - 20.
Ashurst, Chamberlain, Culberson, Harris, Henderson, Jones, (N. M.,) Kenrick, Kirby, McKellar, Myers, Nugent, Phelan, Pittman, Ransdell, Shepard, Smith, (Ariz.,) Stanley, Thomas, Walsh, (Mass.,) Walsh, (Mon.)

AGAINST ADOPTION - 25.
Republicans - 8.
Borah, Brandegee, Dillingham, Knox, Lodge, McLean, Moses, Wadsworth.

Democrats - 17.Bankhead, Beckham, Dial, Fletcher, Gay, Harrison, Hitchcock, Overman, Reed, Simmons, Smith, (Md.,) Smith, (S. C.,) Swanson, Trammell, Underwood, Williams, Wolcott.

========================================

Medicare had bipartisan support.

Clean water and stream? Nixon signed the EPA.
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Old 03-20-2014, 08:04 PM
 
Location: The Republic of Texas
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So the Christian right doesn't want to ban pot, abortions , pornography, booze on Sundays, prostitution?

Christian right is not in favor of laws curtailing all these behaviors??

Really????

Sounds more like the Christian left(yes, there are religious democrats)


The Christian right will just tell you it is wrong and laugh & ridicule you, but not make laws to prevent you from being a dumbass
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Old 03-20-2014, 08:15 PM
 
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Wow

If you really believe more government, more laws, and more regulations increase your liberty and freedom, you have some very serious problems to address.
If you believe anarchy affords the most freedom, then I'll pay for your ticket to Somalia.
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Old 03-20-2014, 08:18 PM
 
Location: Chicago
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Progressive: Make law after law, to control the people and freedom.

Conservative: Reverse the laws the Progressives make.



There is nothing Progressive about maintaining individual liberties & freedoms.

There is nothing Conservative about restricting or taking individual liberties & freedoms.


Before so-called "progressiveness," we had slavery, indentured servitude, legalized segregation, legalized discrimination, disenfranchisement of women--the list goes on and on. Almost all the freedoms we enjoy today we were won by people who could be broadly be called "progressive." Stop trying to rewrite history.
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Old 03-20-2014, 08:21 PM
 
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Oh bulls***! Quit drinking the damn kool aide already and using the "anarchist" card or the "Somalia" reference! You seriously need to do a little research on libertarianism and the Libertarian Platform! No where in their platform does it state anything about anarchy, or wanting no government! Wanting smaller, efficient, and a fiscally responsible government does not equal no government!
Government's purpose is to make law. If the argument is that law restricts freedom ( as has been stated in this thread), then you are an anarchist.
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Old 03-20-2014, 08:26 PM
 
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Why do you say libertarians are anarchists? There are SOME libertarians that are anarchists, but that is a tiny group. Most libertarians support the core platform of the Libertarian party. That is a small government, Constitution based philosophy. It differs from Republicans in general by its positions toward defense (smaller, don't intervene in other country's business), immigration (much more tolerant of immigration), and social issues (government stay out).
Fine. Then you agree that law is useful and necessary. The only difference would be where to draw the line. A difference of degree only.
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