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Because (another poster was right, you do like to play the game of acting purposely obtuse) it grants people certain rights and privileges (like not having to testify against your spouse in court, and being able to inherit your spouse's estate if your spouse dies without a will) and tax breaks, and benefits from their spouse's employer, and SS survivor benefits, funeral and bereavement leave, all kinds of benefits (like insurance) through mutual benefits society, making medical decisions for your spouse, pensions and retirement benefits when your spouse dies, tax-free property transfers upon death, the ability to file wrongful death suits, etc, etc, etc, etc, etc, etc.
People like those things, let's keep those things. No reason to change all that just because you don't want gays to get married.
The same principle could be applied to the gay army's desire to redefine marriage.
They are the ones who want to change the status quo so the onus is on them to explain why it should be done.
Gays want to get married, that's their reason. That's the extent of their reasoning. It doesn't hurt anyone, least of all you, if they get married and it causes no major upheaval. It's simple, easy and painless.
Because (another poster was right, you do like to play the game of acting purposely obtuse) it grants people certain rights and privileges (like not having to testify against your spouse in court, and being able to inherit your spouse's estate if your spouse dies without a will) and tax breaks, and benefits from their spouse's employer, and SS survivor benefits, funeral and bereavement leave, all kinds of benefits (like insurance) through mutual benefits society, making medical decisions for your spouse, pensions and retirement benefits when your spouse dies, tax-free property transfers upon death, the ability to file wrongful death suits, etc, etc, etc, etc, etc, etc.
People like those things, let's keep those things. No reason to change all that just because you don't want gays to get married
All that can be done through private contracts and wills.
Harrier is looking for a reason why government should be involved that can't be handled otherwise.
The reason why we grant the federal government the power to declare war is because it is the only entity in the republic capable of doing so (with the exception of Texas).
if marriage was already a private matter as you suggested, none of that would be necessary.
Your argument is essentially - the way it is, is the way it is.
Do you apply that same reasoning to marriage being a union between a man and a woman?
All that can be done through private contracts and wills.
If they don't have a will, the spouse can't inherit, there's no spouse.
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if marriage was already a private matter as you suggested, none of that would be necessary.
It is a private matter, none of those things I listed are actually any of your business. Marriage is a matter between two people, but has benefits both in the public and private sector, hence the government's recognition of it.
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Originally Posted by Harrier
Your argument is essentially - the way it is, is the way it is.
Do you apply that same reasoning to marriage being a union between a man and a woman?
if not then you are being hypocritical.
No, I don't apply that reasoning to gay marriage. Because that's an apples and oranges comparison. Gays aren't asking to completely destroy the concept of marriage (that's what you're trying to suggest in a weak and desperate attempt to deny them marriage), they just want to be included. I'm suggesting expanding it, you're suggesting to do away with it and replace it with something stupid for reasons that have you after all these posts still failed to provide, but I know in reality its just because you don't want the gays to get married.
I'm suggesting expanding it, you're suggesting to do away with it and replace it with something stupid for reasons that have you after all these posts still failed to provide, but I know in reality its just because you don't want the gays to get married.
No, Harrier has stated his reason - he sees no reason for the government to be endorsing marriage and granting a bunch of benefits on a special relationship.
Harrier sees little useful function of government at all - and the idea of government endorsing marriage is among the most useless.
Also, you just proved that you are lying when you claim that Harrier doesn't answer questions.
He must have answered the question of why government should get out of the marriage business a half dozen times just in the past hour or so, and they have been right in front of your face, yet you still claim otherwise.
You must enjoy being selectively ignorant and intellectually dishonest.
It is rather amusing to see the gay army faithfully reject getting government out of the marriage business.
There continued dismissal of such a common sense solution underscores the fact that the issue is not equality, because if they really felt that way, they would embrace ending government endorsement of marriage.
Ending government endorsement of marriage produces equality - so why is it rejected?
But not to who they want to, unlike straight people.
They can in Maine, Washington, and Maryland.
Those states have the right idea - if one wants to change the marriage law then do it through legislative action of popular vote.
If states choose to maintain their marriage law - like California - then let them do so also.
The courts need to stay out of legislative matters.
We have three separate branches for a reason - and judges are not allowed to make law.
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