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Old 03-22-2014, 01:51 AM
 
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Never have been able to understand the liberal insistence on outsourcing their own thought process.

The Constitution is written in plain English with no need for interpretation.

If the Founders wanted the Constitution to be "interpreted", they would have delegated the task to a specific government body and they would have written their intentions into the Constitution itself.

The reason they didn't go that route should be obvious, but I'll wait while you have someone with credentials explain to you what I really meant.

They did. The federal judiciary. As evidenced by the words of Madison and Hamilton I've posted twice here already.

 
Old 03-22-2014, 01:52 AM
 
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Ending government endorsement of marriage does not equate getting rid of marriage.

All Harrier's plan would do would make marriage have no legal meaning.

If people wanted to call themselves married they could do so.

Why is that so hard for you to comprehend?
It's easy to comprehend. I'm still waiting for you tell me why all this is necessary.
 
Old 03-22-2014, 01:53 AM
 
Location: Los Angeles County, CA
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As opposed to what? Your completely objective opposition to gay marriage (sarcasm intended)?

lol
Don't you have work to do?

Go chew on your bait.
 
Old 03-22-2014, 01:53 AM
 
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I'm not an originalist, but when it comes to the basics of how the three branches of the federal government should function and what their roles would be, I think they provided a good blueprint. If anything, the supremacy clause would necessitate the federal judiciary's role of review of state laws in my opinion, it's much less cumbersome and efficient (and makes more sense) than having the national legislature (which isn't in-session year round and at the time of adoption, was in session less than today) specifically address any conflict arising between state and federal law or the constitutionality of state law.


Not an originalist?

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Old 03-22-2014, 01:54 AM
 
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Which I explained in the post you just quoted.

Did you only read my first sentence?
 
Old 03-22-2014, 01:54 AM
 
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It's easy to comprehend. I'm still waiting for you tell me why all this is necessary.
Harrier is waiting for you to tell him why government endorsement in marriage is necessary.

That is your answer - there is no legitimate reason for government to be in the marriage business.

Marriage should be a private matter.
 
Old 03-22-2014, 01:55 AM
 
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They did. The federal judiciary. As evidenced by the words of Madison and Hamilton I've posted twice here already.

You do understand that something needs to actually be written in the Constitution for it to be part of the Constitution, right?
 
Old 03-22-2014, 01:57 AM
 
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Harrier is waiting for you to tell him why government endorsement in marriage is necessary.

That is your answer - there is no legitimate reason for government to be in the marriage business.

Marriage should be a private matter.
Marriage is a private matter, it's just recognized by the government. People seem to like it that way. I see no reason to change it.

It's the status quo, it's already here. You're the one who wants to get rid of it, so the onus is on you to explain why we need to do all this. I already pointed out the government will remain in the marriage business (through the courts) regardless of what you think.
 
Old 03-22-2014, 01:59 AM
 
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Marriage is a private matter, it's just recognized by the government.
Why?
 
Old 03-22-2014, 02:00 AM
 
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You do understand that something needs to actually be written in the Constitution for it to be part of the Constitution, right?
lol

Again, I trust their interpretation of the role of the federal judiciary more than yours.

I can't possibly simplify it more than that.

If you don't think the document is open to any other interpretation than yours, take it up with Madison and Hamilton and then get back to me.
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