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Originally Posted by juneaubound
What Obama should have done was lay out clear cut consequences and then followed up with those consequences once the red line was crossed. You know that. All reasonable thinking adults know that. Don't try to make this into a "war mongering conservatives" argument.
This post is a fallacy, Just because you believe something to be true, doesnt make it so. And further more, the OPis indeed arguing that the President either shouldnt have made the redline if he wasnt going to goto war ,or should have gone to war if it was crossed.
The President Never said he was going to war over Syria. So the OP is assuming the actions the he thought the president should have taken,and in so is creating a false narrative as you are committing a Common Appeal Fallacy .
So the OP thinks Obama should have invaded Syria because he said there was a line?
No
He should not have been dumb enough to "draw a red line" if he was not prepared to take action for violation of that "red line". That was stupid. Obama has no credibility and the world knows it. Do you think Putin would be toying with a Reagan? Reagan would have had NATO install the Ukraine into its ranks when the president of the Ukraine left and scrambled the US Fleet to the Black Sea and the airforce to Polish bases to show that any action would be met with force. One can respond without nukes in a posturing fashion and Obama does not seem to understand this.
We have a child-like fool in the White House who has put US security and the economy in peril, simply due to weak leadership and incompetence. To make matters even worse, he seems to be delusional and not even recognize that he is viewed as weak and incompetent. At least Carter had a clue.
He should not have been dumb enough to "draw a red line" if he was not prepared to take action for violation of that "red line". That was stupid. Obama has no credibility and the world knows it. Do you think Putin would be toying with a Reagan? Reagan would have had NATO install the Ukraine into its ranks when the president of the Ukraine left and scrambled the US Fleet to the Black Sea and the airforce to Polish bases to show that any action would be met with force. One can respond without nukes in a posturing fashion and Obama does not seem to understand this.
Who knew Reagan fan fiction was a thing?
In reality reagan wouldn't have done a thing because Ukraine and Russia were both in teh USSR, so no reason to invade. But assuming Reagan was magically the President today his actions back in the 1980s indicate that he would deal with Russia by funding militias and terrorists... I mean, "freedom fighters," to lead a bloody civil wars against the Russian friendly government. Sure, there would be the occasional nun raping, civilian targets, and possible illegal arms and drug deals to pay for it, but at least he'd be doing something!
What Obama should have done was lay out clear cut consequences and then followed up with those consequences once the red line was crossed. You know that. All reasonable thinking adults know that. Don't try to make this into a "war mongering conservatives" argument.
So Obama should have attacked Syria just because he said so? It is smarter for a leader to be vague with consequences so that they don't show all their cards while they are playing poker. You will never win when everyone knows what cards you are holding.
He should not have been dumb enough to "draw a red line" if he was not prepared to take action for violation of that "red line". That was stupid. Obama has no credibility and the world knows it. Do you think Putin would be toying with a Reagan? Reagan would have had NATO install the Ukraine into its ranks when the president of the Ukraine left and scrambled the US Fleet to the Black Sea and the airforce to Polish bases to show that any action would be met with force. One can respond without nukes in a posturing fashion and Obama does not seem to understand this.
We have a child-like fool in the White House who has put US security and the economy in peril, simply due to weak leadership and incompetence. To make matters even worse, he seems to be delusional and not even recognize that he is viewed as weak and incompetent. At least Carter had a clue.
Never draw a gun unless you intend to use it.
That red line caused Russia to step in and make Syria give up their chemical weapons. Russia would not have done that without pressure from the US.
Reagan would have had NATO install the Ukraine into its ranks when the president of the Ukraine left and scrambled the US Fleet to the Black Sea and the airforce to Polish bases to show that any action would be met with force.
You're funny. If his performance is anything to go by, Reagan would have instituted an off-the-books policy to sell missiles to Iran and use the funds to equip - shall we be kind and cal them "irregular forces"? - in the Ukraine.
So the OP thinks Obama should have invaded Syria because he said there was a line?
A leader chooses their words "wisely".......
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Reagan would have had NATO install the Ukraine into its ranks when the president of the Ukraine left and scrambled the US Fleet to the Black Sea and the airforce to Polish bases to show that any action would be met with force. One can respond without nukes in a posturing fashion and Obama does not seem to understand this. 
