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No, it means that people--like me--who couldn't get health insurance before are very happy to now be covered. And we'll also be happy when we finally get to single payer, but either way, having insurance is better than not having insurance. Go read that page. Unless you have no heart, you can't help but be moved by many of those stories.
Big law, lots of kinks to be worked out. Kind of like Medicare Part D. That rollout was pretty much a disaster, but Democrats worked with Republicans to get it fixed, something the GOP has zero interest in doing this time around. I wonder why...
So will you be happy if everyone has to pay a set 8% from incomes 20k-100k like they do in many countries plus co pays? This is health tax in addition to social security.
No, it means that people--like me--who couldn't get health insurance before are very happy to now be covered.
You couldnt get a job which had insurance?
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And we'll also be happy when we finally get to single payer, but either way, having insurance is better than not having insurance.
And those who LOST insurance? Oh they dont matter, they can just get sick and DIE
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Go read that page. Unless you have no heart, you can't help but be moved by many of those stories.
I read them, I laughed my ass off
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Big law, lots of kinks to be worked out. Kind of like Medicare Part D. That rollout was pretty much a disaster, but Democrats worked with Republicans to get it fixed, something the GOP has zero interest in doing this time around. I wonder why...
FAIL.. the delays have nothing to do with any of that, their on employers...
Those numbers were combined back then..That was for early January. The numbers for today are more like 12 million. Then if you add on people who bought healthcare outside the exhanges its in the 17-20 million range. The latest numbers from Rand and Gallup show the numbers of uninsured has dropped from 17-20% to 14 to 16%.
More lies, borregokid? Do you ever get tired of it? Oh, I guess if I got paid for every post I wrote, I wouldn't either.
Also from January, when the claim was 6 million. You'll notice that most of those who have signed up, ALREADY HAD HEALTHCARE THAT WAS TAKEN AWAY FROM THEM.
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At the end of the day, for all of the rhetoric and promises about what Obamacare would achieve, the health law’s most ardent supporters have stuck to their guns because of one thing: coverage expansion. But new data suggests that Obamacare may fail even to achieve this goal. Instead of expanding coverage to those without it, Obamacare is replacing the pre-existing market for private insurance. Surveys from insurers and other industry players indicate that as few as 11 percent of those on Obamacare’s exchanges were previously uninsured. If these trends continue, the probability increases that Obamacare will eventually get repealed.
65-89% of Obamacare exchanges enrollees were previously insured
What a raging success!! You went ahead and spent all that money to insure people who were already insured!
I have yet to see one ACA supporter who also supports single payer explain how we pay for single payer. It will be all magic. They will once again try to force the rich to pay more. But the facts are that single payer is a shared responsibility.
Sure those making 100k may pay more. But those making 20k will be paying the same percentage like FICA. If you making more than ax amount $100k? Whatever limit. Than you can opt out for private insurance.
So how many people making 20k, 40k want to pay around 8% health taxes?
Each Canadian province is different but in Ontario employers have a 1-2% payroll tax and tax filers pay on a sliding scale from $0 (on a $20,000 income) to $900/year (on a $200,000 income). A portion of federal tax is also transferred to the provinces.
Self employed. No government subsidized employer-based insurance for me.
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And those who LOST insurance? Oh they dont matter, they can just get sick and DIE
Got any proof of that? Any proof that most of them aren't able to get comparable or better insurance through the exchanges? Or are you just repeating right wing talking points again?
So will you be happy if everyone has to pay a set 8% from incomes 20k-100k like they do in many countries plus co pays? This is health tax in addition to social security.
I don't know if he would, but I certainly would. For me that would be cheap! (and I am on the high end of your income range)
Self insured. No government subsidized employer-based insurance for me.
And here we have it.. You expect others to pay more.... The typical Obama voter
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Got any proof of that? Any proof that most of them aren't able to get comparable or better insurance through the exchanges? Or are you just repeating right wing talking points again?
Who said they couldnt get new coverage on the exchange? I've been laughing my ass off at you left wing kooks who celebarate those who are doing just that, and then calling them new insured..
Each Canadian province is different but in Ontario employers have a 1-2% payroll tax and tax filers pay on a sliding scale from $0 (on a $20,000 income) to $900/year (on a $200,000 income). A portion of federal tax is also transferred to the provinces.
That's Canada. Most US based single payer proponents don't want a Canadian system. They want a Swiss or German style system.
So again. Will Americans want to pay a 8% health taxes on income?
I don't know if he would, but I certainly would. For me that would be cheap! (and I am on the high end of your income range)
I would pay the 8% tax. Its called shared responsibility. Single payer is everyone unless they are the poorest of the poor pays. Plus we also have to deal with a VA health system type of wait times for healthcare. That's where the cost savings comes.
And here we have it.. You expect others to pay more.... The typical Obama voter
I'm self-employed. I pay plenty in taxes AND I don't get employer subsidized health insurance like those who get their insurance on the job. Sounds to me like it's you who expects others to pay more.
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Who said they couldnt get new coverage on the exchange?
Well then, there's no problem, is there?
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I've been laughing my ass off at you left wing kooks
Not as hard as we're laughing at you guys, desperately trying to spin the support Americans have for the ACA into something negative. I really want to thank Ted Cruz for asking the question and for the thousands of Americans who responded.
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