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Old 04-01-2014, 10:59 AM
 
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Well, it will provide insurance to 7 million now...with increasing amounts over the years. It is just the first goal.

Doesn't seem too bad. The costs of Obamacare are estimated by the CBO at $151 billion a year to 2023 (~1.36 trillion 2014 to 2023). The costs of uninsured covered just to emergency rooms is currently $176 billion a year (55% of all visits) by CMS and ACEP. You have a savings of $25 off the top, plus savings expected by those going to emergency rooms that could go to a lower cost primary care. Plus cost savings from lower morbitity rates when people can afford medical care instead of waiting till they are very ill, and being able to work since they can afford maintence care.

Plus additional savings from Medicare advantage programs that were skimming off the top while providing no additional value.

I guess I don't see why it's terrible to spend money on helping Americans, in a way that saves money overall to what we are spending now with a decent return on investment, while it's great to spend nearly 3/4's of a trillion dollars a year waging wars across the world killing people.
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Old 04-01-2014, 10:59 AM
 
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Some of them believe that the 8 year old kid with cancer only needs to put a donation can on the counter of the convenience store and all will be well.
The ACA does exactly nothing to cure that cancer, or make the cure less costly to that 8 year old's family. All the ACA does is set up the federal and various state governments as insurance brokers who are now allowed to put a gun in your face and order you to buy their product. That does not cure cancer in 8 year olds.
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Old 04-01-2014, 11:01 AM
 
Location: Stasis
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The topic of this thread is whether sign up targets were met or whether Obama is fudging the numbers - not the pros or cons of the ACA. By going off topic into general and rehashed criticisms of the ACA I assume nobody agrees the the OP. The numbers are real and signup target will be exceeded. The nay-sayers are like Karl Rove on election night desperately looking for some way to deny and spin the numbers.
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Old 04-01-2014, 11:02 AM
 
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30,000,000 people will go without insurance after ACA passed, which is pretty much what it was before.

Will any of them get cancer? I suppose they can just DIE because they didnt listen to Obama...
You`ve already counted them?
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Old 04-01-2014, 11:03 AM
 
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You`ve already counted them?
I'm taking Obama at his word, using stats from the CBO..

are you saying he's lying?
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Old 04-01-2014, 11:04 AM
 
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You are not "signed-up" until you have paid, and there is no way to make the payment without the back end!
What are you talking about?

Back end??????????

The majority of people will be billed directly from their new insurance companies. They will write checks directly to the insurance companies. Or they will set up auto-drafts. Or some other way. BECAUSE there are lots of ways to make payment.
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Old 04-01-2014, 11:04 AM
 
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The topic of this thread is whether sign up targets were met or whether Obama is fudging the numbers - not the pros or cons of the ACA. By going off topic into general and rehashed criticisms of the ACA I assume nobody agrees the the OP. The numbers are real and signup target will be exceeded.
So we'll pass teh 14,000,000 people quoted on whitehouse.gov?
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Old 04-01-2014, 11:04 AM
 
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......some one explain to me what is wrong with reforming health care and people supporting it?
People who have good healthcare plans through their employer or Medicare don`t care one bit about those who don`t.
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Old 04-01-2014, 11:05 AM
 
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What are you talking about?

Back end??????????

The majority of people will be billed directly from their new insurance companies. They will write checks directly to the insurance companies. Or they will set up auto-drafts. Or some other way. BECAUSE there are lots of ways to make payment.
Why would they not take a credit card with the application like every other insurance policy I've ever gotten? That way it would start instantly...
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Old 04-01-2014, 11:06 AM
 
Location: Wisconsin
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The Obama Administration and the liberal "News" media are all excited, claiming that (miraculously) the goal of 7 million sign-ups have been achieved!

They claim this, even though the back end of the "exchange" has not yet been built, so there is no way of knowing how many have actually signed up or paid, and if not paid, you are not signed up.

There is no way that this number could possibly be known or verified without the back end having been built. But, they think we are stupid, and will accept their phony claims.

This is akin to the unemployment numbers, amazingly falling to the number they wanted just prior to the 2012 election.

Cooking books is what Democrats know how to do, and they are experts at it.

Don't be fooled! Things aren't what they are telling you they are. Noting has changed.
If these fools were a private corporation, they'd be sitting in a jail cell for all their lying.
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