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Old 12-10-2014, 06:35 PM
 
Location: Florida
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you better take some U.S. history about lies and wars....Bush/Cheney did NOTHING compare to other Presidents.
Who else officially authorized torture?
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Old 12-10-2014, 06:36 PM
 
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Who else officially authorized torture?


go read the battles in Europe and the Pacific in WW 2.......our leaders knew what was going on....this ain't shiat! what a joke!
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Old 12-10-2014, 06:36 PM
 
Location: Florida
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waterboarding is a crime but killing our enemy is not? LMAO!!!
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We hung Japanese for waterboarding? really? what is your source?
Yes, we hung people for waterboarding. That's how serious we though it was. History is my source, and John McCain confirms it.

" ... following World War II war crime trials were convened. The Japanese were tried and convicted and hung for war crimes committed against American POWs. Among those charges for which they were convicted was waterboarding."
John McCain on Thursday, November 29th, 2007 in a campaign event in St. Petersburg

History supports McCain's stance on waterboarding | PolitiFact

"If the United States is in another conflict ... and we have allowed that kind of torture to be inflicted upon people we hold captive, then there is nothing to prevent that enemy from also torturing American prisoners."
McCain is referencing the Tokyo Trials, officially known as the International Military Tribunal for the Far East. After World War II, an international coalition convened to prosecute Japanese soldiers charged with torture. At the top of the list of techniques was water-based interrogation, known variously then as "water cure," "water torture" and "waterboarding," according to the charging documents. It simulates drowning.



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Old 12-10-2014, 06:38 PM
 
Location: Florida
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The best headline from this report:

CIA Interrogation Chief: Rectal Feeding Is News to Me!

CIA Interrogation Chief:
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Old 12-10-2014, 06:41 PM
 
Location: Long Island
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waterboarding terrorists is a crime? LMAO!!! good luck in prosecuting that.......not even the extreme left wing democrats will go that far.
They tortured 26 people that were later released since they were innocent. They arrested and tortured others that have been imprisoned without trial, the program was ineffective and most of the detainees were not terrorists. Simply rounding up people is not intelligence, that is guessing.
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Old 12-10-2014, 06:42 PM
 
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The best headline from this report:

CIA Interrogation Chief: Rectal Feeding Is News to Me!

CIA Interrogation Chief:
Did you really expect him to plead guilty?
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Old 12-10-2014, 06:43 PM
 
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They tortured 26 people that were later released since they were innocent. They arrested and tortured others that have been imprisoned without trial, the program was ineffective and most of the detainees were not terrorists. Simply rounding up people is not intelligence, that is guessing.
None of the CIA top officials will back the democrat senate report.......democrats won't prosecute so you know that report is garbage....but it sure gives the left more kool aid to drink.
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Old 12-10-2014, 06:44 PM
 
Location: Newport Beach, California
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That's right.


Yes, we hung people for waterboarding. That's how serious we though it was. History is my source, and John McCain confirms it.

" ... following World War II war crime trials were convened. The Japanese were tried and convicted and hung for war crimes committed against American POWs. Among those charges for which they were convicted was waterboarding."
John McCain on Thursday, November 29th, 2007 in a campaign event in St. Petersburg

History supports McCain's stance on waterboarding | PolitiFact

"If the United States is in another conflict ... and we have allowed that kind of torture to be inflicted upon people we hold captive, then there is nothing to prevent that enemy from also torturing American prisoners."
McCain is referencing the Tokyo Trials, officially known as the International Military Tribunal for the Far East. After World War II, an international coalition convened to prosecute Japanese soldiers charged with torture. At the top of the list of techniques was water-based interrogation, known variously then as "water cure," "water torture" and "waterboarding," according to the charging documents. It simulates drowning.

Well, captured prisoners during wwii were POW, do you consider terrorists POWs? They are unlawful combatant at best.

The Geneva Conventions do not recognize any lawful status for combatants in conflicts not involving two or more nation states. A state in such a conflict is legally bound only to observe Article 3 of the Geneva Conventions and may ignore all the other Articles. But each one of them is completely free to apply all or part of the remaining Articles of the Convention

Unlawful combatant - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

Former CIA officer John Kiriakou is the only CIA employee connected to its interrogation program to go to prison. But he was prosecuted for providing information to reporters, not for anything connected to waterboarding or other actions that today’s Senate Intelligence Committee report calls “torture.”

Ex-CIA Operative Says Prison Was Punishment for Whistleblowing on Torture - ABC News
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Old 12-10-2014, 06:47 PM
 
Location: Florida
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Well, captured prisoners during wwii were POW, do you consider terrorists POWs? They are unlawful combatant at best.
We hung the Japanese for waterboarding. You get that? We, the United States, considered it a crime serious enough to qualify for the death penalty, and here you are saying its no big deal. It doesn't matter what their status is, civilized people don't torture other people, especially when you execute others for doing the exact same thing. Period.
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Old 12-10-2014, 06:48 PM
 
Location: Newport Beach, California
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We hung them for waterboarding. You get that? We thought it was a crime worthy of death penalty, and here you are saying its no big deal.
I've never said it is not a big deal. when did I say that?

I am saying captured prisoners during WWII are considered POWs, terrorists are NOT POWs.
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