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Old 04-09-2014, 11:13 AM
 
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Actually no. It doesn't.


No. It doesn't. It only needs to know that it's the right bracelet for that gun, and that the two are in close proximity.


No database is required. I suspect one might be useful if you needed to replace a lost or broken bracelet, but that can also be taken care of by an engraved key on the gun. So it's not required.
It requires a form of tracking, there is no way it can know who the owner is and where the proximity to the gun it's self is at. That kind of technology simply cannot exist without this data tracking. The main goal of this isn't safety, knowledge is safety, this goal is punish all law abiding gun owners and eventually turn them into criminals.

Eric Holder is a HUGE anti-gun freak. He disregards the Constitution and has been caught stating that his goal is to brainwash people against guns. He has been involved in countless illegal activities including trafficking guns to Drug Cartels in Mexico, but Obama has refused to order an investigation for some stupid reason. You cannot trust anything this man comes up with! There is always a hidden agenda with him.

IF Holder was really concerned about stopping gun violence then he would be proposing education courses about guns to be mandatory. Gun knowledge is what promotes safety.
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Old 04-09-2014, 11:16 AM
 
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It requires a form of tracking, there is no way it can know who the owner is and where the proximity to the gun it's self is at. That kind of technology simply cannot exist without this data tracking. The main goal of this isn't safety, knowledge is safety, this goal is punish all law abiding gun owners and eventually turn them into criminals.

Eric Holder is a HUGE anti-gun freak. He disregards the Constitution and has been caught stating that his goal is to brainwash people against guns. He has been involved in countless illegal activities including trafficking guns to Drug Cartels in Mexico, but Obama has refused to order an investigation for some stupid reason. You cannot trust anything this man comes up with! There is always a hidden agenda with him.

IF Holder was really concerned about stopping gun violence then he would be proposing education courses about guns to be mandatory. Gun knowledge is what promotes safety.
That technology already DOES exist. Like I said, the tech needed for this could use either RFID, NFC or LE Bluetooth. Any of those three could provide the required proximity information for the gun and none of them would require any knowledge of the person in possession of the bracelet.

Just like how I can give my brother my keyfob and he can go drive my car, its the EXACT same thing.
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Old 04-09-2014, 11:17 AM
 
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I'm not sure what you're trying to state with the second sentence but the third is simply personal responsibility. If you bring something valuable with you somewhere and leave it in a place where a crook might take it....a crook might take it. If you had a purse with a gun in it and you are not being responsible...a crook might take it. This is not a new issue, although in this case if the owner had a bracelet and the gun was stolen by a crook without the bracelet then the gun would be useless.
I'm just trying to state that I think the bracelet idea is not a good thing.
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Old 04-09-2014, 11:19 AM
 
Location: Littleton, CO
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It requires a form of tracking, there is no way it can know who the owner is and where the proximity to the gun it's self is at.
Nonsense. It requires no tracking whatsoever.

Does a car key need tracking to open a car door?
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Old 04-09-2014, 11:24 AM
 
Location: Charlotte
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I'm just trying to state that I think the bracelet idea is not a good thing.
I agree, I think it holds too many faulty issues with it (losing the bracelet, the bracelet breaking, etc). In my opinion a security element that had a biological part to it would be much better (ie. fingerprint scanner, bioscanner, etc), but the problem is the technology to do something like that just doesn't exist at a level of trustworthiness or cost-effectiveness to make it worthwhile.

The bracelet is something that could be extremely easily and cheaply made with today's technology and so that is why its being discussed at this level. I think that its still too many problems to really try and implement though.
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Old 04-09-2014, 11:24 AM
 
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I'd actually be for putting tracking bracelets on all elected and appointed government officials. We need to keep tabs on their whereabouts and activities 24/7. Bug their phones and record their emails.
Hey, that's what they want to do to us.
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Old 04-09-2014, 11:29 AM
 
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I agree, I think it holds too many faulty issues with it (losing the bracelet, the bracelet breaking, etc). In my opinion a security element that had a biological part to it would be much better (ie. fingerprint scanner, bioscanner, etc.
Unless it has the capacity to store several users, no. If a security device is going to be used at all, utilize a PIN access code device on the gun itself. That way, anyone who needs to use the gun for self-defense can do so.
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Old 04-09-2014, 11:29 AM
 
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Nonsense. It requires no tracking whatsoever.

Does a car key need tracking to open a car door?
This is not like a car key. Not even close to the same thing. A car is a luxury and driving is a privilege, gun ownership is a right. Futhermore, I fail to see the point in this, how will this reduce crime exactly? Someone could steal a bracelet, or cut off their hand and take it. Or hack or disable the device in the gun it's self, what if these devices fail? Someone is not able to defend themselves?

And yes it IS tracking tech-www.mrcolionnoir.com/.../eric-holder-wants-mandate-gun-owners-wear-...‎
this is not what he said specifically, but the kind of technology in the gun and bracelet retains similar technology. You are also ignoring the big elephant here, one that I addressed you on previously which is that Eric Holder has an agenda. Nothing this man comes up with is good for anybody.

There is nothing wrong with guns today. We have a culture problem, not a gun problem. Education is the key to gun safety.
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Old 04-09-2014, 11:30 AM
 
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This is not like a car key. Not even close to the same thing. A car is a luxury and driving is a privilege, gun ownership is a right.
Excellent point!
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Old 04-09-2014, 11:30 AM
 
Location: Charlotte
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Unless it has the capacity to store several users, no. If a security device is going to be used at all, utilize a PIN access code device on the gun itself. That way, anyone who needs to use the gun for self-defense can do so.
Hmm, I can see a PIN working as well. And in my hypothetical I would also require several user storage as well, otherwise its a severely limiting thing.
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