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I think though, that any society has certain precepts, unwritten rules, about things. For instance, as a society, we feel strongly that children should be off limits when their parents are involved in a debate over issues.
What are the rules/understandings about private individuals and their political activities? Is a donation really a public announcement of one's views? If I donate to the National Conservancy, should that become a public issue?
Private donations of citizens should remain private. It's nobody else's business, even if they are a CEO.
Should we also allow everyone to see who we voted for at the ballot box?
What private citizens donate to shouldn't be made public. Eich did not donate in Mozilla's name, or use corporate funds. It was his money.
What a Corporation donates to is a different thing. I don't have a problem with knowing what or who a corporation is donating to.
Why would you treat a corporation differently? Unless it's their actual policy, they're the same as individuals. In other words, let's say 75% of Apple employees support liberal causes and you say "I don't want/need to know." Why is it relevant when Apple "the company" supports a liberal cause? It's not relevant, unless it's specifically part of their business practice.
If you read the thread, I'm the one who keeps on pointing out to people what actually happened. The problem is that when this whole thing went down, guess what? LIBERALS were thrilled that "victory" had occurred for homosexuality. It was only after people calmed down and started going "hey, wait a minute, this was totally wrong ..." that the same people suddenly were like "uh ...this had nothing to do with gays ...nothing!! It was just straight people fighting with each other."
The whole Mozilla thing is manufactured B.S. Like I said, there was no boycott because you can't have a boycott end before anyone knows what happened. OK Cupid isn't a major website or a major dating website or even a generally well-known website, so this claim that Mozilla bowed to "huge pressure" is also a farce. Then we have this imaginary rule that people who are against gay marriage can be anything in any company EXCEPT the CEO, which, as I keep saying, is a new rule to everyone in the world and apparently only ever became necessary when we started having gay marriage. Finally, the phrase "gay mafia" was coined by Bill Maher, who isn't on the right and who I dislike -- the only thing that's funny is that everyone is allowed to talk about the "gay mafia" (which exists) because someone on the left mentioned it first. If someone actually on the right used the term "gay mafia" first, their life would be over because everyone on the left would spend the next 5000 years yelling about it.
They are now. Maybe the whole thing was planned that way.
They are now. Maybe the whole thing was planned that way.
It was. It was a publicity stunt for them. The guy who runs OK Cupid has donated to Republicans who have opposed gay marriage in the past. He was just being a shrewd businessman and the Mozilla woman was his dupe.
Being opposed to same-sex marriage is not the same thing as being anti-gay. If Eich were anti-gay, it's doubtful he would have fostered the environment at Mozilla that was very supportive of gays in the workplace. While being opposed to same-sex marriage certainly isn't pro-gay, and the Proposition 8 propaganda was certainly anti-gay, I don't think we really know Mr Eich's feelings about gay people. Largely because he kept those feelings private, and separate from his professional career.
I don't view it as either "pro-homosexual" or "anti-homosexual." Supporting marriage, as it has been known throughout human history, is not something to be ashamed of! He shouldn't be, and Mozilla was wrong to fire him for his support of Prop-8. That really sends a negative message about the company. I wouldn't want to work for such a company.
It seems as though you do have a problem with Christians.
There are none that wish to "turn America into some kind of theocratic 'Jesusland.'"
No. I already said I don't have any issue with most Christians. Not all people who call themselves Christians are the same. You keep mentioning 'scripture' and 'God" as if everyone has to live by your beliefs. You are also the one using the word 'scripture' and 'Constitution' in the same sentences.
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Supporting marriage is anything but "unChristian." But, you wouldn't know, would you?
People don't have to be Christian to support civil marriage.
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What is "Christlike to you?" Do you even know?"
The two greatest commandments. Remember those?
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Is your "Jesus" (if you even believe in him) the warm fuzzy kind of Jesus that wouldn't hurt a fly, and never said anything bad about anyone? If he is, you don't know him.
Jesus got pretty pissed at gnat straining Pharisee hypocrites (the religious conservatives of his day). He has the same message for you. Read it in Matthew 23.
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If you are not a believer, you have no right to ridicule those who are.
Are you saying I have no right to free speech? Really?
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Aren't you doing what you accuse others of doing?
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What makes you think that is what I think? It seems to me, that advice would also apply to you. Right?
You are the one who told me to 'go back home' or leave America and you have told me several times I have no 'right' to express my opinions.
Nope, not just my argument and not "linked to gays". A CTO is behind the scenes, a CEO is the public face and leader of the company. I also said I couldn't help you if you didn't understand the difference. Apparently that's still the case.
That might work if Eich had made his views on marriage public (and let's be clear, there is nothing wrong with his views on marriage). But he didn't.
His name was published in a list of Prop 8 supporters. That is the only reason they knew about his private donation.
It's always amusing when liberals start quoting the Bible and then randomly insert their incorrect beliefs about it. "Remember when Jesus was against the Pharisees, who were the conservatives?" Uh ...I'm pretty sure you don't know anything about that, or else you just like looking really silly.
That might work if Eich had made his views on marriage public (and let's be clear, there is nothing wrong with his views on marriage). But he didn't.
His name was published in a list of Prop 8 supporters. That is the only reason they knew about his private donation.
Mozilla was wrong. Period.
It's Ceist's monster argument: you can be opposed to gay marriage and be the CTO, but not the CEO. Like I said, it's amazing how many new rules we have made since the advent of gay marriage.
He has the same message for you. Read it in Matthew 23.
While you are reading Matthew. Take a look at Matthew 19:4-5.....
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