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Old 04-12-2014, 10:02 PM
 
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What are you talking about? The Federal Government had always owned the land in question ("always" being since 1848 when we got it from Mexico through warfare). His family never owned it.
The family has been grazing since the 1800's and then in 1997 the laws changed. Why would the Sierra Club and President Obama care that these tortoise were saved and 130 cows killed due to unwarranted stress?

 
Old 04-12-2014, 10:04 PM
 
Location: WY
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No fly zone just declared:

BREAKING: Airspace Over Bundy Ranch Now A No-Fly Zone (NOTAM Issued!)

http://www.cardenchronicles.com/2014...ed-by-faa.html
 
Old 04-12-2014, 10:04 PM
 
Location: Los Angeles County, CA
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Harrier never mentioned casinos Parfleche did.
True.

So, what was the purpose of mentioning casinos in the following post?

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So who created Vegas the locals. get some education before you post.Indian casino's did not exist then.
Harrier mentioned the Mormon's and the railroad - and expressed the idea that the land that Las Vegas sits on ought to be given to the Paiutes.
 
Old 04-12-2014, 10:05 PM
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Location: Pine Grove,AL
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You are so far behind I don't have time to catch you up but here is a clue.

Accidental history: How Michigan may have triggered convention to amend U.S. Constitution | MLive.com


Good to see some Patriots here, you know who you are!!


Your comment makes no sense in response to mine. I never said you didnt have a right to amend the Constitution, I said (as does the Constitution that i quoted) that you do not have a right to insurrection.

Your link didnt even refute that claim, so what was the point in you responding to me? Did you simply not understand ?
 
Old 04-12-2014, 10:12 PM
 
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The family has been grazing since the 1800's and then in 1997 the laws changed. Why would the Sierra Club and President Obama care that these tortoise were saved and 130 cows killed due to unwarranted stress?
Actually, the law changed in 1989. It was in 1993 that the Federal Government attempted to renegotiate the grazing lease with Mr. Bundy. Some of the articles mention Bundy grazing on this land and paying the feds from 1973 to 1993. Federal grazing leases last 10 years, so it seems to me he probably took over the ranch from his dad in '73, negotiated a 10 year lease, and then renewed it in '83. 1993 would then be when the lease would have to be renegotiated for the first time under the 1989 law change.

Bundy didn't like the proposed 1993 changes in the grazing lease. He refused to accept it. He also refused to leave the land. At that point he became a thieving trespasser.

Last edited by hammertime33; 04-12-2014 at 10:21 PM..
 
Old 04-12-2014, 10:13 PM
 
Location: mancos
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Trying to scare us into being little scared cattle. did not work this time,hey you spit tha grass out,I know it just grows here naturally but it's gov grass cause we say so,Hey you with the solar panels that's the Gov sun and you are stealing from taxpayers and welfare leaches by getting free energy.
 
Old 04-12-2014, 10:20 PM
 
Location: mancos
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Originally Posted by Harrier View Post
True.

So, what was the purpose of mentioning casinos in the following post?



Harrier mentioned the Mormon's and the railroad - and expressed the idea that the land that Las Vegas sits on ought to be given to the Paiutes.
So Start a petition to give vegas to the Paiutes good luck.I won't bore you with my family's move to vegas when it was a barren wasteland
 
Old 04-12-2014, 10:22 PM
 
Location: The Republic of Texas
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That was issued yesterday.
Today, infowars streaming coverage, documented helicopters buzzing the area about every 15 minutes.
 
Old 04-12-2014, 10:23 PM
 
Location: The Republic of Texas
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We The People won this battle, but the war is yet to be won.
 
Old 04-12-2014, 10:30 PM
 
Location: Maui County, HI
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We The People won this battle, but the war is yet to be won.
Do you guys actually research before you take a side, or do you just go with your gut anti-government reaction??

The facts are clear. Cliven isn't paying to use the land and is trespassing. We the people don't have the right to steal whatever resources we want.
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