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Old 04-12-2014, 10:13 AM
 
Location: Great State of Texas
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Because Republicans dearly fear you will love getting high so much from marijuana that you will become addicted to it. You end up losing your job and have no more money to buy marijuana. So you get a gun and put it in somebody's face demanding money, or your life. So Republicans fear that will make the crime rate go up, and the last thing Republicans want to be associated with is being soft on crime and consequently voted out of office.

The issue is also about liberty. Plenty of Republicans fear liberty, or too much of it.
It has nothing to do with D vs R here.

The DEA and other FEDERAL drug enforcement agencies make big bucks with this War on Drugs.
A large part of their shadow slush fund would go *poof* with legalized drugs.
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Old 04-12-2014, 10:22 AM
 
Location: Stillwater, Oklahoma
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It has nothing to do with D vs R here.

The DEA and other FEDERAL drug enforcement agencies make big bucks with this War on Drugs.
A large part of their shadow slush fund would go *poof* with legalized drugs.
Maybe so at the Federal level. At the state level, in Oklahoma it has everything to do with Republicans as to why reforming draconian anti-marijuana laws has gotten absolutely nowhere. A lone state Democrat senator has been the only one at the state capitol trying for years without a bit of luck to advance reform. If all goes well, Oklahoma will try to bypass the Republican will by voting to legalize medical marijuana in November.
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Old 04-12-2014, 10:24 AM
 
Location: Old Bellevue, WA
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Because Republicans dearly fear you will love getting high so much from marijuana that you will become addicted to it. You end up losing your job and have no more money to buy marijuana. So you get a gun and put it in somebody's face demanding money, or your life. So Republicans fear that will make the crime rate go up, and the last thing Republicans want to be associated with is being soft on crime and consequently voted out of office.

The issue is also about liberty. Plenty of Republicans fear liberty, or too much of it.

Link? Quote? Where did any Republican say any of this? Perhaps we Republicans fear that you Democrats will wildly hallucinate, with or without MJ.

I was all for legalization of not just MJ, but all drugs, for most of my life (unlike Pres. Obama and his hand picked drug czar Gil Kerlikoske). But with the advent of socialized medicine, I have changed my mind. If we are to have a massive welfare state, we will have to have a massive nanny state to go with it. The two go hand in hand. CDC says that as much as 75% of health care costs are due to behavior, so to the extent that we have collectively funded health care, we are going to have collective controls on behavior, whether it's tobacco, sodium, or MJ.
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Old 04-12-2014, 10:25 AM
 
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Because Republicans dearly fear you will love getting high so much from marijuana that you will become addicted to it. You end up losing your job and have no more money to buy marijuana. So you get a gun and put it in somebody's face demanding money, or your life. So Republicans fear that will make the crime rate go up, and the last thing Republicans want to be associated with is being soft on crime and consequently voted out of office.

The issue is also about liberty. Plenty of Republicans fear liberty, or too much of it.
Well, no weed smoker i've ever known would do a robbery to get some more weed.
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Old 04-12-2014, 10:30 AM
 
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Smug far left progressive reporters like Young Turks and this one aren't credible to me.
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Old 04-12-2014, 10:36 AM
 
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Thread fail..

Asking for bigger government is asking for new laws on teh book and more spending.

Supporting laws on the book be enforced, isnt bigger government, and while it might take a bigger government to enforce the laws, the point is that you shouldnt have laws on the book which isnt being enforced.
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Old 04-12-2014, 10:54 AM
 
Location: Old Bellevue, WA
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Thread fail..

Asking for bigger government is asking for new laws on teh book and more spending.

Supporting laws on the book be enforced, isnt bigger government, and while it might take a bigger government to enforce the laws, the point is that you shouldnt have laws on the book which isnt being enforced.
exactly. when the executive and legislative branches are effectively one in the same, there can be no liberty, per Montesquieu. This is the antithesis of limited gov't. If the exec can effectively decide what the law is, it is arguably unlimited gov't.

OP apparently is unable to address this point, unfortunately.
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Old 04-12-2014, 10:59 AM
 
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Thread fail..

Asking for bigger government is asking for new laws on teh book and more spending.

Supporting laws on the book be enforced, isnt bigger government, and while it might take a bigger government to enforce the laws, the point is that you shouldnt have laws on the book which isnt being enforced.
You're trying to cover for this guy...you can't, so stop trying.

This is Republicans trying to have it both ways. You guys have been crying and whining like babies over the last 35 years about the right of states to control their own affairs.

The president grants this wish on this particular issue, and now you're crying because you're afraid that you won't have enough people (especially the poor and minorities) to lock up in this prison industrial complex that you Republicans are so overjoyed about.

I mean, be honest: what percentage of the American population do you Republicans want to lock up before you guys will be happy?
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Old 04-12-2014, 10:45 PM
 
Location: west mich
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The OP points up the hypocrisy of conservatives which they of course want below the radar and out of people's minds - that is what RW media is all about.
They gladly accept government working on their behalf on all issues, and they lobby for it. Look at the RW legislative actions like various social bans, wars for profit, perks for the wealthy and corporate lobbying. This is the big government conservatives love - and just incidentally the most dangerous to democracy. This demonstrates that fascism is never dead and it's always some entrenched right wing faction that wants it - in present tense, the GOP.
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Old 04-12-2014, 10:58 PM
 
Location: west mich
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You're trying to cover for this guy...you can't, so stop trying.

This is Republicans trying to have it both ways. You guys have been crying and whining like babies over the last 35 years about the right of states to control their own affairs.

The president grants this wish on this particular issue, and now you're crying because you're afraid that you won't have enough people (especially the poor and minorities) to lock up in this prison industrial complex that you Republicans are so overjoyed about.

I mean, be honest: what percentage of the American population do you Republicans want to lock up before you guys will be happy?
He means all democracy proponents and corporate-fascism opponents who can possibly be ferreted out. Seriously!
And they will never be "happy" (the fear-driven RW mentality cannot be) because once they own government they will form sub-factions of mistrust and fight among themselves.
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