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And yet, when a mother crosses a busy road with her kids, it's not her fault at all, correct? //www.city-data.com/forum/urban...ches-snow.html
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The article said it was the mother's fault for crossing the street at a dangerous spot rather than at the nearby marked crosswalk. I agree, it is dangerous to cross midblock, especially on busy streets. I am sure there are people who think the mother did nothing wrong, just like there are people who think it is the train's fault accidents happen when idiots try to beat the train and thus try to blame the fatality rate on those that commute in the train rather than the idiots the train strikes.
overheard on the LIRR: can't they pick a less inconvenient way to kill themselves?
It's sad, but they did make a nuisance for lots of other people. And the conductor gets to watch the train hit someone that he/she can't do much about.
I got stuck on the Sounder in the Puget Sound for hours once because someone decided to kill themselves by train with the train before ours. Suicide is a very selfish act, and it is extremely selfish when others on their commutes.
From Car and Driver Magazine, May, 2014 issue. Fatality rate per 100 million miles traveled from 2000 - 2011. They pulled the data from the Dept of Transportation web site. The safest way to get from point A to point B is airlines followed closely by passenger cars. Motorcycles are off the chart (no surprise there), but light rail is tremendously dangerous too.
Passenger car 1.1 Light rail 22.6
Transit bus 3.7
commuter rail 10.8
Train 7.0
Air carrier 0.9
Motorcycles 31.5
I was surprised that rail in all forms has 10 to 20 times the fatality rate of passenger cars and air carriers. So not only does light rail cost more and benefit a tiny number of people, it's deathly dangerous.
When you figure out how to put financially self-supporting mass transit, whether it be bus or rail, in places like Montana, you be sure to get your tender butt out here and set it up. You will be a millionaire in short order!
We do not have, and probably never will have, mass transit of any kind. Oh, sure, in town they have local bus service, but when we lived in town my wife would have had to leave for work an hour early, and would get home one and a half hours after her shift ended, making for a portal to portal work day of fourteen and a half to fifteen hours! IF the busses even ran in the winter after a blizzard.
Sorry, MatCW, but that is NOT acceptable.
I'm not talking about laying a 4-track heavy rail line on 2 minute headways in the middle of nowhere! Good grief I've seen a lot of silliness on here, but this takes the cake! Obviously there are places that transit doesn't work.
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Now that we live five miles from the City Limits, there is NO mass transit at all available! NONE! I don't know what "people" you are talking about, but none of them live any where near here. We all know that mass transit is useless for grocery shopping. Yeah, sure, I can see making the monthly trip to Costco on a bus, then spending $250 and hauling all that home on another bus!
Try it, see how well it works for you. I couldn't even make it work when we lived in town! I never did figure out how to get all those bags/boxes from the bus stop to our home in one trip!
No one that uses transit makes gigantic $250 purchases. Even so, most transit is geared at getting people to work, not getting people to the store, personal vehicles still have a place, but it doesn't have to be EVERY place.
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Maybe the "people" you are talking about describe you and your friends, but it certainly does NOT describe anybody I know!
Well no, in Billings, Montana I wouldn't expect there to be much use for transit. I don't know what your rush hours are like, but given that about the farthest suburb I could find was a 12 minute drive from downtown, I can't imagine it's anything like a bigger city.
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" People don't like to spend more time in their cars than they have to, it's confining, it's tiring, it's about as un-free as you can get! People want to freedom to be able to jump on transit and just go where they need to without being stuck in traffic..."
That is quite possibly the dumbest statement I have ever seen on C-D.c!
I'm sorry your limited worldview can't allow you know what other people need or want or experience. Perhaps you should try talking to people in Atlanta that have switched from cars to transit. Or people in transit-dependent areas such as New York or New Jersey. Better yet, GO THERE (come here). Drive from Alpharetta, GA to Midtown Atlanta in the morning rush, then the next day take the transit. Or go visit New York City without using their transit AT ALL. I know your type of person, I am well rehearsed fighting people like you in real life and on the internet. Your stance is that "transit doesn't work here, so it won't work anywhere" and is so incredibly narrowminded and short sided. People here are tired of their cars. Unfortunately, most just never try transit either because they can't (it doesn't run near them or where they need to go), or they've been scared out of using it by people...well, people like you!
if i wanted to get ran over or mugged i would ride the trolley.
How would you get run over riding in a trolley? And why would there be muggers waiting in the trolley for you when they have no where to go and the driver could just radio the police to meet the mugger at the next stop to arrest them? Kind of a bad place to mug someone.
if i wanted to get ran over or mugged i would ride the trolley.
And yet, all the studies have shown that transit reduces crimes in an area with a station, not increase.
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