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Old 06-07-2014, 11:38 AM
 
Location: Great Britain
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Fact of the matter is evidence is key. If we had the evidence against them, they should have been tried either in U.S Court or International Court. We have done this in other cases

The issue becomes, what do we do when we have accusations against someone, believe they are guilty, but don't have enough evidence to bring up charges against them.

We have many we have held going back to 2002 that have been held and accused of terrorism, but not charged with anything. Is it beliveing they are guilty, but not having the evidence to charge them? Or is it something else? Who knows, but fact is if we have evidence charge them, if not well then what?
Well it doesn't look like you have any evidence on just about everybody you have detained in this way over the last twelve years if that's the case as I don't see any trials.

Perhaps these individuals should now sue the US for false imprisonment.
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Old 06-07-2014, 11:40 AM
 
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Maybe because we are perfectly capable. I'll ask again but I don't expect you to answer.

Why didn't we charge them?
Because you didn't charge any one you just stick them in a big camp on Cuba and tortured them, if the truth be told.

Great day for the Taliban though, indeed in a rare public statement on Sunday, Afghan Taliban leader Mullah Mohammad Omar described the exchange as a "big victory" and I am sure groups such as Boko Haram and the 'Al-Qaeda network' are also celebrating.
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Old 06-07-2014, 11:41 AM
 
Location: Florida
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It's actually alleged genocide in relation to the civilian Shia Muslim population, and has nothing to do with the coalition forces.
Who is making these allegations of genocide apart from you? Just because some cooks up a story a out genocide, does not mean everyone must believe it.
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Old 06-07-2014, 11:43 AM
 
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Who is making these allegations of genocide apart from you? Just because some cooks up a story a out genocide, does not mean everyone must believe it.


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Who are the Guantanamo detainees?

Mohammad Fazl served as the Taliban's deputy defence minister during America's military campaign in 2001. Accused of possible war crimes, including the murder of thousands of Shia Muslims.

Khirullah Khairkhwa was a senior Taliban official serving as interior minister and governor of Herat, Afghanistan's third largest city. Alleged to have had direct links to Osama Bin Laden.

Abdul Haq Wasiq was the Taliban's deputy minister of intelligence. Said to have been central in forming alliances with other Islamist groups to fight against US and coalition forces.

Mullah Norullah Noori was a senior Taliban military commander and a governor. Also accused of being involved in the mass killings of Shia Muslims.

Mohammad Nabi Omari held multiple Taliban leadership roles, including chief of security. Alleged to have been involved in attacks against US and coalition forces.

BBC News - Bowe Bergdahl release: US parties clash on Afghan deal
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Old 06-07-2014, 11:43 AM
 
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I think you misread my post,
No, I misread who I was replying to. Very sorry. I will go back and start over.
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Old 06-07-2014, 11:46 AM
 
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Fact of the matter is evidence is key. If we had the evidence against them, they should have been tried either in U.S Court or International Court. We have done this in other cases
I don't disagree but we didn't. Two different administrations refused to.

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The issue becomes, what do we do when we have accusations against someone, believe they are guilty, but don't have enough evidence to bring up charges against them.
We release them. That's the way we do things.

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We have many we have held going back to 2002 that have been held and accused of terrorism, but not charged with anything. Is it beliveing they are guilty, but not having the evidence to charge them? Or is it something else? Who knows, but fact is if we have evidence charge them, if not well then what?
We either get answers, file charges or release them.
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Old 06-07-2014, 11:48 AM
 
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Because you didn't charge any one you just stick them in a big camp on Cuba and tortured them, if the truth be told.

Great day for the Taliban though, indeed in a rare public statement on Sunday, Afghan Taliban leader Mullah Mohammad Omar described the exchange as a "big victory" and I am sure groups such as Boko Haram and the 'Al-Qaeda network' are also celebrating.
Yes it was a good get for them.
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Old 06-07-2014, 11:49 AM
 
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Yes it was a good get for them.
Yes but not so good for the United Nations who wanted Mohammad Fazl and Norullah Noori for crimes including genocide.

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Old 06-07-2014, 11:50 AM
 
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Accused of war crimes in a war which never existed.

Again, who is making these accusations?
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Old 06-07-2014, 11:51 AM
 
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Accused of war crimes in a war which never existed.

Again, who is making these accusations?
Two of the individuals are wanted by the United Nations.

Mohammad Fazl – Fazl served as Chief of Staff of the Taliban Army. He was associated with terrorist groups opposing US and Coalition forces. According to documents from the Joint Task Force Guantánamo, Fazl is "wanted by the UN for possible War crimes including the murder of thousands of Shiites". The document stated Fazl has become a recruiting symbol for the Taliban.


Norullah Noori – Nori served as the governor of Balkh and Laghman provinces in the Taliban regime. He was a senior Taliban military commander in Mazar-e-Sharif. Nori is "wanted by the United Nations for possible war crimes including the murder of thousands of Shiite Muslims" along with Fazl. According to Barnett Rubin, they were "responsible for ethno-sectarian massacres in northern Afghanistan" along with their enemies
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