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Old 06-05-2014, 07:24 PM
 
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And until the Federal Civil Rights Law is changed to reflect this, yes they do. In fact, if you look up the First Amendment Free Exercise Clause - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia, you'll see that it is the Federal governments charter to protect this business owners religious beliefs.
Again, the federal law is irrelevant in this case.

And you've said something very, very strange. In the first sentence you say that until the federal law is changed, this baker can discriminate against gays. The clear implication is that you believe that if the federal law is changed to include "sexual orientation", then the baker will not be able to discriminate against gays.

But then in the second sentence you talk about the baker's Constitutional right to discriminate against gays because of his religious beliefs.

You seem to be sayng that if Congress wants, it can change the Federal Civil Rights Law in such a way as to eliminate the baker's Constitutional right to discriminate against gay people based on his religious beliefs. Do you really believe that Congress has the power to do away with Constitutional rights by writing laws?

 
Old 06-05-2014, 07:25 PM
 
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Ordered by judge to attend "sensitivity training" so now if you don't agree with the homosexuals you can be sentenced to brainwashing. Over the top.
Another person buying the FoxNews LIE that "sensitivity training" was ordered.
 
Old 06-05-2014, 07:25 PM
 
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Again, the federal law is irrelevant in this case.

And you've said something very, very strange. In the first sentence you say that until the federal law is changed, this baker can discriminate against gays. The clear implication is that you believe that if the federal law is changed to include "sexual orientation", then the baker will not be able to discriminate against gay.

But then in the second sentence you talk about the baker's Constitutional right to discriminate against gays because of his religion.

You seem to be sayng that if Congress wants, it can change the Federal Civil Rights Law in such a way as to eliminate the baker's Constitutional right to discriminate against gay people based on his religious beliefs. Do you really believe that Congress has the power to do away with Constitutional rights by writing laws?
I found a link.....I am not sure how old it is...

https://www.aclu.org/maps/non-discri...nformation-map
 
Old 06-05-2014, 07:26 PM
 
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I found a link.....I am not sure how old it is...

https://www.aclu.org/maps/non-discri...nformation-map
and?
 
Old 06-05-2014, 07:28 PM
 
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In case anyone cares to read it, he's the court order that was upheld:

https://www.aclu.org/sites/default/f..._2013-0008.pdf
Thanks for posting this.
 
Old 06-05-2014, 07:28 PM
 
Location: Middle of nowhere
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Michigan's is for hiring.......and PUBLIC things....buses...trains....hospitals...things the directly get public money.

Cake......not so much.
You may want to read the law.

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(a) “Place of public accommodation” means a business, or an educational, refreshment, entertainment,
recreation, health, or transportation facility, or institution of any kind, whether licensed or not, whose goods,
services, facilities, privileges, advantages, or accommodations are extended, offered, sold, or otherwise made
available to the public. Place of public accommodation also includes the facilities of the following private
clubs:
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Sec. 302. Except where permitted by law, a person shall not:
(a) Deny an individual the full and equal enjoyment of the goods, services, facilities, privileges,
advantages, or accommodations of a place of public accommodation or public service because of religion,
race, color, national origin, age, sex, or marital status.
http://www.michigan.gov/documents/ac...sen_8772_7.pdf

According to the text of the law as written, it covers all public accommodations as listed above.
 
Old 06-05-2014, 07:34 PM
 
Location: California
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Another person buying the FoxNews LIE that "sensitivity training" was ordered.
What you have a camera in my house? Nah don't watch it just responding to the topic as it's written.
 
Old 06-05-2014, 07:35 PM
 
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What you have a camera in my house? Nah don't watch it just responding to the topic as it's written.
As directly quoted from the linked FoxNews article.
 
Old 06-05-2014, 07:38 PM
 
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You may want to read the law.





http://www.michigan.gov/documents/ac...sen_8772_7.pdf

According to the text of the law as written, it covers all public accommodations as listed above.
Yes...public.
 
Old 06-05-2014, 07:39 PM
 
Location: California
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As directly quoted from the linked FoxNews article.
Didn't read it, don't care. Just like to see who cries
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