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Old 07-31-2014, 09:24 AM
 
Location: Barrington
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Really.
OK.
Thanks for the update.
What's the latest theory then?

Ken
Archived blood samples seem to point to some Hatian immigrants in the 60's.
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Old 07-31-2014, 10:08 AM
 
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Who cares about profit motive and vaccines? I don't know why this discussion even cropped up really. The problem is there is an outbreak, and it's starting to threaten more people than just poor villagers who handle the dead. It's cropped up in cities and crossed three different borders.

I have a feeling that the Centers for Disease Control have been looking for some type of vaccine for this disease for a long time now. It is at the top of the list of worst-case scenarios for global pandemics.
First of all, I said nothing at all about a vaccine. Vaccines are preventative. Vaccines are not cures.

If you don't like this direction of the conversation, don't comment on it.

The problem is that it's a scary, deadly disease, that's been around for several decades, and the reason there is NO treatment, and NO cure, is because there is no PROFIT in developing a treatment or a cure.

It was inevitable that it would crop up in a city, and it's crossed borders before.

It will inevitably make its way to developed countries as well. To England, to Germany, to the United States. Because human beings will travel, human beings travel when they are sick, even when they are sick but don't know it. With an incubation period of up to 21 days, someone, sometime, is going to get on a plane and go home, and then come down with the disease. But since this disease is only contagious when the person becomes symptomatic, that means that unless the person was actively symptomatic when in flight, the people on the plane are not at risk, and don't become carriers. This disease can be contained, has been contained over and over and over. Panic is much harder to contain, and can do a lot more damage.
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Old 07-31-2014, 10:37 AM
 
Location: Great State of Texas
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First of all, I said nothing at all about a vaccine. Vaccines are preventative. Vaccines are not cures.

If you don't like this direction of the conversation, don't comment on it.

The problem is that it's a scary, deadly disease, that's been around for several decades, and the reason there is NO treatment, and NO cure, is because there is no PROFIT in developing a treatment or a cure.

It was inevitable that it would crop up in a city, and it's crossed borders before.

It will inevitably make its way to developed countries as well. To England, to Germany, to the United States. Because human beings will travel, human beings travel when they are sick, even when they are sick but don't know it. With an incubation period of up to 21 days, someone, sometime, is going to get on a plane and go home, and then come down with the disease. But since this disease is only contagious when the person becomes symptomatic, that means that unless the person was actively symptomatic when in flight, the people on the plane are not at risk, and don't become carriers. This disease can be contained, has been contained over and over and over. Panic is much harder to contain, and can do a lot more damage.
Sawyer was fine when he got on 2 planes. Now they are hunting down nearly 30,000 that he may have come in contact with.

And spit and sweat are body excretions.
Sawyer woke them up that the possibility of this traveling is now a fact and now countries are taking extra precautions at airports all over the world.

There's no panic but there is verbal precautions being issued to hospitals and airports.

This outbreak has shown to be vastly different then previous ones because it is not isolated to remote villages with poor conditions and traditions.

There is a vaccine that has been undergoing trials and the FDA has been asked to fast track this.
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Old 07-31-2014, 10:52 AM
 
Location: Montreal, Quebec
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Then you must be a closet conservative, because I haven't seen too many posts by you indicating a rosy outlook on anything.
Find me any posts where I'm scared of something. Good luck with that.
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Old 07-31-2014, 11:37 AM
 
Location: Great Falls, VA
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I have a feeling that the Centers for Disease Control have been looking for some type of vaccine for this disease for a long time now. It is at the top of the list of worst-case scenarios for global pandemics.
Actually not, it's not at the top of the list. The first rule of a successful parasite? It’s not 'don’t kill your host'. It’s 'don’t burn your bridges until after you’ve crossed them'.

Avian Flu and other strains of influenza, new strains and mutations of coronaviruses such as SARS or MERS, those are the type of parasites that occupy the top of that list.

Sawyer is actually a very good example of why Ebola does not have much pandemic potential. If instead of Ebola he had been infected by some influenza virus, he most certainly would have made it to the United States and he most certainly would have spread the airborne virus to many people that didn't even have direct contact with him.
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Old 07-31-2014, 11:49 AM
 
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Actually not, it's not at the top of the list. The first rule of a successful parasite? It’s not 'don’t kill your host'. It’s 'don’t burn your bridges until after you’ve crossed them'.

Avian Flu and other strains of influenza, new strains and mutations of coronaviruses such as SARS or MERS, those are the type of parasites that occupy the top of that list.

Sawyer is actually a very good example of why Ebola does not have much pandemic potential. If instead of Ebola he had been infected by some influenza virus, he most certainly would have made it to the United States and he most certainly would have spread the airborne virus to many people that didn't even have direct contact with him.
We are also not so fortunate as to have such smart parasites all the time like when smallpox meets Carib Indian.
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Old 07-31-2014, 11:56 AM
 
Location: Great State of Texas
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Actually not, it's not at the top of the list. The first rule of a successful parasite? It’s not 'don’t kill your host'. It’s 'don’t burn your bridges until after you’ve crossed them'.

Avian Flu and other strains of influenza, new strains and mutations of coronaviruses such as SARS or MERS, those are the type of parasites that occupy the top of that list.

Sawyer is actually a very good example of why Ebola does not have much pandemic potential. If instead of Ebola he had been infected by some influenza virus, he most certainly would have made it to the United States and he most certainly would have spread the airborne virus to many people that didn't even have direct contact with him.
A man who helped Sawyer off the plane now has fever and is being watched in Nigeria.
If Sawyer had not stopped for his sister's funeral he may have made it back to Minnesota before getting sick.



Lagos Official Claims There’s Another Suspected Case of Ebola in Nigeria
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Old 07-31-2014, 12:05 PM
 
Location: The Lone Star State
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Wingnuts live in fear of EVERYTHING.
I swear, modern "Conservatism" is a mental illness - what else do you call it when people are afraid and paranoid about everything?
Wait, is thread-starter florida.bob a conservative (or as you'd say a "wingnut") now? Damn, that's quite a turnaround, what happened to him?
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Old 07-31-2014, 12:07 PM
 
Location: The Lone Star State
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Don't be too hard on them. The poor dears can't help it. From the survivalist sites for when the poop hits the fan, to Ebola, to needing their guns to fend off attackers at church, to xenophobia to commies, to homophobia...they're wired that way. There's danger to life and limb under every rock and behind every bush.

A study at University College London in the UK has found that conservatives’ brains have larger amygdalas than the brains of liberals. Amygdalas are responsible for fear and other “primitive” emotions. At the same time, conservatives’ brains were also found to have a smaller anterior cingulate — the part of the brain responsible for courage and optimism.
If the study is confirmed, it could give us the first medical explanation for why conservatives tend to be more receptive to threats of terrorism, for example, than liberals. And it may help to explain why conservatives like to plan based on the worst-case scenario, while liberals tend towards rosier outlooks.

Study: Conservatives have larger ‘fear center’ in brain
So is it okay to mock and hate people because they're "born that way"?
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Old 07-31-2014, 12:10 PM
 
Location: Great Falls, VA
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Can people please stop talking about conservatives and liberals? What the hell does this thread have to do with American politics?
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