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Old 06-25-2014, 09:06 AM
 
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??? It would be rather pointless for me to apply for these jobs, doncha think? My resume and work history offer not the slightest hint of my literacy and numeracy and my high scores and grades.
It may NOT be pointless. But you'll never know until you try. I worked for a temp agency who sent me out to a one day assignment to type up a contract. My boss found my work so impressive (fast and accurate) that he kept finding jobs for me to do. Now, almost 4 years later I do all sorts of tasks that were never on my resume or in my work history. But I am willing to try any job, and always figure out a way to get things done.

It's my "can do" attitude that caused my boss this morning to wish he had 10 more of me. As opposed to my coworker who has been cut down to half time, because nothing is ever "his job".
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Old 06-25-2014, 09:06 AM
 
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.....so why won't the right-wing try to educate these folks? Why isn't the right-wing doing anything to make job training more affordable?

All I hear is condemnation.
You are kidding....right??

Do you want a nanny state???

People need to help themselves.
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Old 06-25-2014, 09:09 AM
 
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.....so why won't the right-wing try to educate these folks? Why isn't the right-wing doing anything to make job training more affordable?

All I hear is condemnation.
Why won't the left wing actually educate our children, instead of indoctrinating them? Why are we being forced to spend our tax dollars on teachers that stink at their jobs because they have to get rid of good teachers and keep bad ones because of the unions? Why does the left wing keep fighting the voucher system, that would give our children better educations?

You can look at left wing policies and the elites in the universities as the reason that education is so expensive.
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Old 06-25-2014, 09:14 AM
 
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You are kidding....right??

Do you want a nanny state???

People need to help themselves.
So your response is.... screw them.

I asked for a solution. It is clear you don't have one.

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Why won't the left wing actually educate our children, instead of indoctrinating them? Why are we being forced to spend our tax dollars on teachers that stink at their jobs because they have to get rid of good teachers and keep bad ones because of the unions? Why does the left wing keep fighting the voucher system, that would give our children better educations?

You can look at left wing policies and the elites in the universities as the reason that education is so expensive.
Why is your entire post a bunch of criticisms?

Once again, I asked for solutions. The post I responded to was a poster who is having trouble getting the skills needed to become competitive. My question was straightforward:

"What is the right-wing doing to make skills / education / job training more affordable?"

I didn't ask for left-wing criticisms. I asked for solutions.
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Old 06-25-2014, 09:17 AM
 
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It may NOT be pointless. But you'll never know until you try. I worked for a temp agency who sent me out to a one day assignment to type up a contract. My boss found my work so impressive (fast and accurate) that he kept finding jobs for me to do. Now, almost 4 years later I do all sorts of tasks that were never on my resume or in my work history. But I am willing to try any job, and always figure out a way to get things done.

It's my "can do" attitude that caused my boss this morning to wish he had 10 more of me. As opposed to my coworker who has been cut down to half time, because nothing is ever "his job".

??? We're talking here about jobs for which employers seek to train. Since training takes time, I don't expect these jobs to be filled through temp agencies. Since I am quite devoid of the skills temp agencies want - out of the hundreds of skills they want I have about five (and the most common five) so I have no expectation of getting any work from a temp agency.
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Old 06-25-2014, 09:22 AM
 
Location: the very edge of the continent
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.....so why won't the right-wing try to educate these folks?
They are trying. The Obama Admin attacks them when they do.

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"Of the 5,000 vouchers distributed last year, 91 percent went to minority students.

...Louisiana Gov. Bobby Jindal said in a released statement that the federal filing is "shameful" and that President Barack Obama and Attorney General Eric Holder are trying to trap students in failing public schools."
Justice Department Attempts to Block Louisiana School Voucher Program - US News

Companies are willing to train people. They just can't find job applicants with the skills to successfully complete such training. Shouldn't really come as a surprise to anyone. Our public school system lags the rest of the developed world.
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"In the United States, only 7 percent of students reached the advanced level in eighth-grade math, while 48 percent of eighth graders in Singapore and 47 percent of eighth graders in South Korea reached the advanced level. As those with superior math and science skills increasingly thrive in a global economy, the lag among American students could be a cause for concern."
http://www.nytimes.com/2012/12/11/ed...show.html?_r=0
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Old 06-25-2014, 09:23 AM
 
Location: North Idaho
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.....so why won't the right-wing try to educate these folks? Why isn't the right-wing doing anything to make job training more affordable?

All I hear is condemnation.
First, if you read the reports posted above, it's not about job training, it's about basic literacy and math skills. Obviously, these are skills that should be developed in our k-12 educational system. That system, controlled by the unions and the far left wing for decades, is failing us miserably.

We spend more on k-12 education per student than all other countries except the Swiss:



Our historical spending per pupil is higher than ever:



The far left wing that controls the Democrat party always has the same answer: we need to spend more. The data clearly show that more spending is not the answer.

Conservatives have many great ideas about how to improve our educational system. These reforms have repeatedly been stymied by the far left wing who's only interest is protecting the financial interests of the teachers unions. The Democrat party has no interest in improving the education of our children, just as they have no interest in improving the lives of the poor.

IMO, what we should do is foster competition among schools. Give every parent a voucher that represents the cost of a year of education for their children, and let them decide where to send their kids to school. This will mean that all families will have the opportunity to send their kids to private schools, not just the wealthy. Schools that are failing our children will be forced to get their act together, or they will loose students and be relegated to the trash heap where they belong.

Dave
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Old 06-25-2014, 09:31 AM
 
Location: the very edge of the continent
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First, if you read the reports posted above, it's not about job training, it's about basic literacy and math skills. Obviously, these are skills that should be developed in our k-12 educational system. That system, controlled by the unions and the far left wing for decades, is failing us miserably.

We spend more on k-12 education per student than all other countries except the Swiss:



Our historical spending per pupil is higher than ever:



The far left wing that controls the Democrat party always has the same answer: we need to spend more. The data clearly show that more spending is not the answer.

Conservatives have many great ideas about how to improve our educational system. These reforms have repeatedly been stymied by the far left wing who's only interest is protecting the financial interests of the teachers unions. The Democrat party has no interest in improving the education of our children, just as they have no interest in improving the lives of the poor.

IMO, what we should do is foster competition among schools. Give every parent a voucher that represents the cost of a year of education for their children, and let them decide where to send their kids to school. This will mean that all families will have the opportunity to send their kids to private schools, not just the wealthy. Schools that are failing our children will be forced to get their act together, or they will loose students and be relegated to the trash heap where they belong.

Dave
Excellent post!
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Old 06-25-2014, 09:41 AM
 
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??? We're talking here about jobs for which employers seek to train. Since training takes time, I don't expect these jobs to be filled through temp agencies. Since I am quite devoid of the skills temp agencies want - out of the hundreds of skills they want I have about five (and the most common five) so I have no expectation of getting any work from a temp agency.
You just do not want to work.....be honest......at least be honest with yourself.
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Old 06-25-2014, 09:43 AM
 
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So your response is.... screw them.

I asked for a solution. It is clear you don't have one.



Why is your entire post a bunch of criticisms?

Once again, I asked for solutions. The post I responded to was a poster who is having trouble getting the skills needed to become competitive. My question was straightforward:

"What is the right-wing doing to make skills / education / job training more affordable?"

I didn't ask for left-wing criticisms. I asked for solutions.
People have to help themselves....it is as simple as that.

At one time I checked the obituaries everyday.....looking for job openings.
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