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Old 07-25-2014, 06:23 PM
 
Location: NJ
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Has Bachman gone off the deep end? That ship has sailed, my friend...a long time ago.

Not true. For the ship to sail, she would have to have been "all there" at some point. That was never the case.

She is always good for a laugh..not with her, but at her.

 
Old 07-25-2014, 06:52 PM
 
Location: Pa
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No, it's not. It's a civil offense, not a criminal one.
By definitions that I provided links to it is a crime. Not to mention the crimes they commit after entering. Things like document fraud, tax evasion and tax fraud. etc.
Yes illegals tend to be criminals beginning to end.
I am happy to respectfully disagree with you. The illegal act of entering illegal tends to be the gateway crime which leads to even more serious crimes.
Lock them up in a tent prison and putt them to work building a fence. We save money on the fence, they work off their debt and it is a win win deal for our country. Punishment to fit their crime.
 
Old 07-25-2014, 06:54 PM
 
Location: Texas
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No, it's not. It's a civil offense, not a criminal one.
Overstaying after legally entering is a civil offense (but only if they haven't been caught before).

Entering illegally is a crime.
 
Old 07-25-2014, 06:58 PM
 
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By definitions that I provided links to it is a crime.
LEGALLY, it's a civil offense, not a crime.

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Put illegals to work. Not the children, By children I mean 12 years old or less. 8 hour days, same rules apply. 3 breaks and a lunch. Minimum wage paid to an account to help offset deportation. 3 hots and a cot.
And as a civil offense, it would be a violation of their 13th Amendment rights to "put illegals to work."
 
Old 07-25-2014, 07:03 PM
 
Location: Pa
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Originally Posted by hammertime33 View Post
LEGALLY, it's a civil offense, not a crime.



And as a civil offense, it would be a violation of their 13th Amendment rights to "put illegals to work."
as a civil offense? What if it is their second caught time entering? That changes the game. What if they caught also committing document fraud? Hmmm driving without a license or insurance, tax evasion/ fraud? Seems to me any working here are nailed. Did I mention that it is a crime for an immigrant to work in this country without a permit?
According to the definitions provided. accepted definitions by the way a crime is when you break a law that the government will punish you for. Seems like deportation might just be a punishment.
As I said I am happy to respectfully disagree with you.
Maybe we should change that law to make it more clear cut and make illegal entry a criminal offense?
 
Old 07-25-2014, 07:05 PM
 
Location: Texas
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Entering illegally, even the first time, is a misdemeanor - which is a crime.
 
Old 07-25-2014, 07:08 PM
 
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Who has went off the deep end? King Obama decreeing the United States would stop deportations of young illegals. Him and the Nation that has gone along with that insanity even in the midst of this invasion.
 
Old 07-25-2014, 07:19 PM
 
Location: Beautiful Niagara Falls ON.
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Oh, please.

You can oppose the crazy fringe while still being conservative.
Not according to the right wing nut jobs!!!!! In their twisted little minds if you're not a complete nut bar or azzhat then you can't be a conservative. Their existence guarantees the slow death of an intelligent conservative alternative. Such a thing does exist you know but is being drowned out by the RWNJ idiots!
 
Old 07-25-2014, 07:20 PM
 
Location: Pa
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Not according to the right wing nut jobs!!!!! In their twisted little minds if you're not a complete nut bar or azzhat then you can't be a conservative. Their existence guarantees the slow death of an intelligent conservative alternative. Such a thing does exist you know but is being drowned out by the RWNJ idiots!
Come now. The extreme left is every bit as rabid as the extreme right.
 
Old 07-25-2014, 07:20 PM
 
Location: Beautiful Niagara Falls ON.
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Are you saying that putting illegals to work to offset the cost of their deportation is wrong?
It could be very wrong at a time when there are not enough jobs around for millions of American citizens.
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