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When the chips are down, the only thing that can stop a bad guy with a gun is a good guy with a gun. That is the truth no matter if you want to believe it or not.
In Argyle Independent School District they have this warning sign outside schools.
What do you think?
The teachers that want to be armed do have to have some psychological testing and other requirements. http://www.theblaze.com/wp-content/u...8.25.20-PM.png
This probably won't end well for that school, those teachers, or those students.
This idea that you can be a weekend cop is insane. Trained police officers make mistakes with their guns all the time in dangerous situations. And it's literally their job to train for those situations.
But nah some yahoo teachers pretending to be cops will be fine. SMH
Some People really do seem to think life is like a movie.
They seem to dream of the "bad guy" and taking them on in a movie like scene where their bullets hit their target perfectly and not others. Despite the huge amount of fear and adrenalin pumping.
This idea that you can be a weekend cop is insane. Trained police officers make mistakes with their guns all the time in dangerous situations. And it's literally their job to train for those situations.
But nah some yahoo teachers pretending to be cops will be fine. SMH
Some People really do seem to think life is like a movie.
They seem to dream of the "bad guy" and taking them on in a movie like scene where their bullets hit their target perfectly and not others. Despite the huge amount of fear and adrenalin pumping.
I love the odds.
No chance v. 50/50 chance.
I know where my money is, if those are my choices.
This idea that you can be a weekend cop is insane. Trained police officers make mistakes with their guns all the time in dangerous situations. And it's literally their job to train for those situations.
But nah some yahoo teachers pretending to be cops will be fine. SMH
Some People really do seem to think life is like a movie.
They seem to dream of the "bad guy" and taking them on in a movie like scene where their bullets hit their target perfectly and not others. Despite the huge amount of fear and adrenalin pumping.
You are greatly mistaken on how much training officers get. Most officers fire their gun only twice a year for less than 70 rounds each session.
Most active gun owners, especially people who have a ccw practice much more than the average officer. Most shoot every week or two, firing hundreds of rounds each session because they enjoy shooting.
You are greatly mistaken on how much training officers get. Most officers fire their gun only twice a year for less than 70 rounds each session.
Most active gun owners, especially people who have a ccw practice much more than the average officer. Most shoot every week or two, firing hundreds of rounds each session because they enjoy shooting.
And about a 3rd of our faculty with ccw's are former and/or current military. The general training, knowledge and experience are there, but I'd feel better if specific scenario training would be offered and made to be a yearly thing. Flak vests could be kept in special lockers in the class room, possibly - not sure about this one - along with the actual weapon. This is doable, if the will is there.
This idea that you can be a weekend cop is insane.
Who wants to be a weekend cop? I know I don't, and neither does anyone else I know who carries a gun. The point of getting a carry permit is not so that you can be a crime fighting hero, or stop villains in their tracks, or anything else, that's only in the movies. The point of getting the permit, is so that you can defend yourself as a last resort when all else has failed. Carrying a gunj is serious business, and most of the people I know who've taken the time to get certified, go through the FBI background check, fill out the paperwork, and pay the permitting fees take the responsibility with the seriousness that it warrants. Quit watching so many movies and tv dramas.
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Trained police officers make mistakes with their guns all the time in dangerous situations. And it's literally their job to train for those situations.
Like someone else said, I do believe that you have an exaggerated view of just how much "training" officers get. Most don't train that much, believe it or not, and are not required to. One cop I know in my local area has no interest in firearms outside his profession, and only trains a handfull of times a year, when qualifications are coming up. Most firearm enthusiasts on the other hand, train all year long, not because they are required to, but because it's something they enjoy doing. It's a hobby for them, a passion.
Don't believe me? Go to a gun range where police frequent and watch them practice, then compare that to the civilians right next to them.
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But nah some yahoo teachers pretending to be cops will be fine. SMH
What is your alternative? Pray? Hide under a desk? If a madman enters a school with a gun, I'd much rather an adult have a sufficient means of stopping the threat instead of relying on luck and prayer. The gun might not make a difference, but it changes the odds, and theres no denying that. We can debate the politics of it all you want, but the reality of it is, the only thing that stops a threat with a gun, is a good person with a gun, that is an eternal truth.
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Some People really do seem to think life is like a movie.
They seem to dream of the "bad guy" and taking them on in a movie like scene where their bullets hit their target perfectly and not others. Despite the huge amount of fear and adrenalin pumping.
The only people who think in those terms are people who are afraid of someone carrying a gun, it's certainly not the reality in the gun owning, gun carrying community. Perhaps you should spend some time in the guns and hunting subforum, or bettter yet, a gun range in real life, to see how wrong you are about gun owners.
I don't know anything about Argyle. I suppose if it's small and everybody knows everybody it would be okay. We had a truant officer when I was in High School that always wore a side arm. We also had a few pickup trucks with shotguns in the gun rack. I can't remember for sure, but I think one of our district schools had a rifle team. Anywho, it was a large school system, yet it wasn't a big deal. Fast forward to today, hell no I wouldn't want my current school district's teachers to be armed. 75% of them are incapable of properly conducting a class, I'd hate to see how irresponsible they would be with a weapon. I'm pretty sure we still have armed officers at the schools anyway.
I don't know anything about Argyle. I suppose if it's small and everybody knows everybody it would be okay. We had a truant officer when I was in High School that always wore a side arm. We also had a few pickup trucks with shotguns in the gun rack. I can't remember for sure, but I think one of our district schools had a rifle team. Anywho, it was a large school system, yet it wasn't a big deal. Fast forward to today, hell no I wouldn't want my current school district's teachers to be armed. 75% of them are incapable of properly conducting a class, I'd hate to see how irresponsible they would be with a weapon. I'm pretty sure we still have armed officers at the schools anyway.
We do. And it's usually one per school.
But imagine... in a school that's built for 2000 students, it takes literally 4 minutes to walk from the office to the English wing. Maybe 2-3 minutes in a jog/sprint. During that time, how many students are at risk? Heck, the response time might be even worse if the shots fired are so far away in some of these schools as to be unheard, and the teachers aren't in a position to alert the office/SRO.
Now imagine a scenario-trained teacher in that same hallway being able to respond within seconds. Did it prevent the situation from occurring? No, but could it possibly end it sooner, with fewer fatalities/injuries? Maybe so, and that is the reason for the idea. It would probably never stop an attack from occurring (well, maybe it could, if the students knew the possibility of armed teachers present), but it might just save a few lives.
Of course, usually the student(s) that perpetrate such atrocities are actually looking for suicide by cop - not always, but how many end the stand-offs by their own hands? So maybe the knowledge that teachers could be armed wouldn't be much of a deterrent. But it still might end the situation much, much earlier, and that saves lives.
I do agree with you that some teachers I work with - even some with ccw's - i wouldn't trust to carry in my school. This is where the screening by law enforcement & local school administrations comes in. Also, if they couldn't pass periodic firearms training - including scenario situations - then they obviously wouldn't be allowed to carry. I wouldn't want every teacher to carry. No one in their right mind would want this. But one or two in strategic parts of the building could - hopefully - save a few lives one day.
This has been a great discussion. When I saw the article I knew it would bring a lot of good comments, opinions, and heated emotions.
My take on this topic is that when an individual realizes that there are people carrying weapons, he/she will think twice before he/she goes into a school to hurt.
Thomas Jefferson wrote: Laws that forbid the carrying of arms...disarm only those who are neither inclined nor determined to commit crimes.... Such laws make things worse for the assaulted and better for the assailants; they serve rather to encourage than to prevent homicides, for an unarmed man may be attacked with greater confidence than an armed man.
Also, the article states that people are not mandated to carry a weapon. Those that want to do so, are not automatically allowed. Besides the proper training to get a concealed weapon permit, they would still have to have psychological training and background checks. That makes sense to me.
People can philosophize all they want about carrying arms or not, specially in schools. However, as stated by Jefferson, people will think twice about going into a school that has armed personnel. How many lives would be saved? Can't tell and difficult to predict. I do believe that human nature compels someone to think twice about committing such crime when he knows there are a few weapons to stop him/her. That is what makes it difficult to accept. Why? Because you cannot predict the future and see specific numbers of people saved. Will people make mistakes? All of us do. Is it possible that a teacher defending his children kill one of his students by mistake? Yes, that is possible. Nothing is perfect. But how many children's lives would be saved besides a horrible mistake like that?
What you rather have?
A simple example that does not even involve weapons. When you a police car driving around, do you tend to slow down if you are speeding? Why is not reasonable to think that you will think twice about going to a school that has armed personnel and if you are trying to kill people?
Do criminals go into a home when they there is a police care within sight? Why not?
To me the same applies when people know there is a threat to their ill intents. Take care.
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