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So have I. My brother lived in Holland. But of course, a trip to Holland does not make you an expert of their laws, you'd have to read about them, or have someone tell you. If you rented a car there, they would have told you to never leave any valuables in your car. Theft and break ins in Amsterdam are out of control.
Social IndicatorComparison YearUSANetherlandsLifetime prevalence of marijuana use200941.5% (ages 12 and up)125.7% (ages 15-64)2Past year prevalence of marijuana use200911.3% (ages 12 and up)17.0% (ages 15-64)2Lifetime prevalence of heroin use20091.5% (ages 12 and up)10.5% (ages 15-64)2Prison Population Rate per 100,000 populationDec. 31 2011 (US) / Sept. 30 2012 (Netherlands)716*382*3Per capita spending on criminal justice system (in Euros)1998€379*4€223*4Homicide rate per 100,000 population20124.750.95- See more at: Netherlands Compared With The United States | Drug War Facts
Social IndicatorComparison YearUSANetherlandsLifetime prevalence of marijuana use200941.5% (ages 12 and up)125.7% (ages 15-64)2Past year prevalence of marijuana use200911.3% (ages 12 and up)17.0% (ages 15-64)2Lifetime prevalence of heroin use20091.5% (ages 12 and up)10.5% (ages 15-64)2Prison Population Rate per 100,000 populationDec. 31 2011 (US) / Sept. 30 2012 (Netherlands)716*382*3Per capita spending on criminal justice system (in Euros)1998€379*4€223*4Homicide rate per 100,000 population20124.750.95- See more at: Netherlands Compared With The United States | Drug War Facts
You can also compare US to some other countries in Europe where pot has not been decriminalized and you will find that homicides etc are more common in US. The significant finding in Holland is the fact that all drug use increased when pot was decriminalized, just as it did in Alaska when they did it.
You can also compare US to some other countries in Europe where pot has not been decriminalized and you will find that homicides etc are more common in US. The significant finding in Holland is the fact that all drug use increased when pot was decriminalized, just as it did in Alaska when they did it.
Did you even read the crime rate stats in that link? Holland is far safer, with less crime, with less money spent on crime, then we have in these United States.
If people want to toke up and kill brain cells, let them. If they want to shoot themselves with heroin, let them. That freedom ends, however, when/if they affect a single other person either directly or indirectly.
Buy your stupid drugs, take it in whatever manner you want, laugh like a moron, sit in a daze, kill yourself slowly, I don't care...but do not affect me or anyone else with your stupidity.
I have no problem with this. If your actions cause harm to someone else, then you pay the consequences for that harm and damage you've caused. If not, then leave people the hell alone!
The sky is not falling in Holland. Organized crime is on the rise there because of heroine, not marijuana. While marijuana is legal to purchase and posess, heroine is decriminalized, and they are using that as a means to grow a market base outside of the country.
Finn just hates pot, for whatever reason, he has never given a truthful answer on that. His objections change when faced with factual data.
Perhaps he works for one of the special interests that continue to lobby for its prohibition? I know smokers and non-smokers in my personal life, and nobody I know is that vehemently against legalization!
Did you hear that cruxan? No one gives a s*** about Holland. Well, they would, if facts were on their side, but since they are not, they don't give a s***.
Facts are on our side. The increased crime has nothing to do with cannabis use, and everything to do with the growing heroin epidemic in which Memphis pointed out!
Maybe you have never been to Amsterdam. Crime is so bad that it's illegal to leave your belongings visible in a parked car, because you are sure to get your window smashed in and the cops don't want to deal with it.
I've never been there, but 2 neighbors that I know that recently went to Europe for their honeymoon, and stopped in Amsterdam. From their experiences there was nothing indicating the crime issues that you keep yammering about.
I know......in Thailand they restrict people's freedom to smuggle drugs and they'll actually shoot you for it.
Well.... thank GOD this isn't Thailand.... or Singapore.... or Saudi Arabia where cruel and unusal punishment for possession of drugs isn't the norm. Though I'll bet you'd like it if the US implemented those types of policies. Hey.... the law is the law, right?
Did you even read the crime rate stats in that link? Holland is far safer, with less crime, with less money spent on crime, then we have in these United States.
All EU countries are safer than US regardless of their pot laws, which is why it is a moot point. The effect of decriminalization in any given country is relevant. Crime in Holland skyrocketed when they decriminalized pot, which is a relevant point in this discussion. So, crime is already high in US, but it would become even worse if pot was decriminalized. This why it is not an individual freedom issue, it is a public safety issue. The Constitution mandates the government provide for domestic tranquility, so let's not do the opposite and drive crime up by decriminalization. Individual freedoms are great, but when they infringe on the wellbeing of our neighbors, then a line has been crossed. This is something libertarians should think about, because they promote the idea of having individual freedoms as long as they do not infringe on the freedoms of others.
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I know smokers and non-smokers in my personal life, and nobody I know is that vehemently against legalization!
