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Old 09-16-2014, 04:54 PM
 
Location: Free From The Oppressive State
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So in the end even more Americans will be without healthcare coverage and there ya go off to a Single Payer system like they have in Europe. See how that is working out, heck I bet it went even faster than what those pulling the strings expected. The bigger question is will the Repubs take credit for it when we are all on the new system?
Considering the Repubs had nothing to do with this failed experiment, why would they take any credit at all when it fails?

Weren't some of your fellow libs telling us that they wanted single payer? Wasn't it revealed in videos that this administration really actually wanted single payer?

Are you trying to pretend that this wasn't the plan all along and that libs aren't happy about it?

So we're going to sit through another failure when single payer is attempted? When will people get it? Damn, do none of you pay attention to what Mircea has been stating repeatedly, over and over and over again? He's only written it at least 50 times on this forum.
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Old 09-16-2014, 04:55 PM
 
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Except for leaving those with preexisting conditions to rot away with poor health and probable bankruptcy. The old system is dead and will never come back.
The old "pre-existing conditions" b.s. argument. People with pre-existing conditions most certainly could get insurance.

The libs have already shown they had zero understanding of catastrophic insurance, and they are proving that they have no idea about those with pre-existing conditions getting insurance....yes, those people could get it.
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Old 09-16-2014, 04:56 PM
 
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Single payer would take an amendment to the US Constitution.

As there is no place in the US Constitution that gives the government, the power to legislate that.
not really, they could just gradually expand medicaid qualifications until pretty much everyone was covered.
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Old 09-16-2014, 05:15 PM
 
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That is because your brother-in-law is military.
When he divorces her, she will lose her Tri-care coverage. The kids will keep theirs until 18... Not even 26 as ACA mandates.


Medicare and Medicaid are tax bills, just like ACA. You are taxed via FICA for those programs.
Lol. When. I think you meant if. Either way I meant for life. Her kid can buy in at 21 or so.
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Old 09-16-2014, 05:20 PM
 
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So in the end even more Americans will be without healthcare coverage and there ya go off to a Single Payer system like they have in Europe. See how that is working out, heck I bet it went even faster than what those pulling the strings expected. The bigger question is will the Repubs take credit for it when we are all on the new system?


What a "Law" meant to fail!?!

With the hope of achieving single payer no less?
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Old 09-16-2014, 06:12 PM
 
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The old "pre-existing conditions" b.s. argument. People with pre-existing conditions most certainly could get insurance.

The libs have already shown they had zero understanding of catastrophic insurance, and they are proving that they have no idea about those with pre-existing conditions getting insurance....yes, those people could get it.
Not true. No one in CA would touch my daughter until Obamacare.

There are good points in Obamacare. This is one.
Another is unlimited coverage.
'Free' preventatives.
Better primary care reimbursements.
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Old 09-16-2014, 06:25 PM
 
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The old "pre-existing conditions" b.s. argument. People with pre-existing conditions most certainly could get insurance.

The libs have already shown they had zero understanding of catastrophic insurance, and they are proving that they have no idea about those with pre-existing conditions getting insurance....yes, those people could get it.
That is nonsense. Unless you are referring to the insurance people could get that wouldn't cover their pre-existing conditions.

Prior to 2014 my health insurance plan (a group plan, through my employer) slapped a pre-existing condition clause on me for my first whole year of coverage. I had to fight tooth and nail with them to pay for the services I needed.

With Obamacare I was able to purchase good quality health insurance that paid for a surgery I needed that very same month. Prior to 2014 no such insurance existed on the private market.
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Old 09-16-2014, 06:59 PM
 
Location: Barrington
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The old "pre-existing conditions" b.s. argument. People with pre-existing conditions most certainly could get insurance.

The libs have already shown they had zero understanding of catastrophic insurance, and they are proving that they have no idea about those with pre-existing conditions getting insurance....yes, those people could get it.
Speaking of " zero understanding".....


50 states.......50 independent politically appointed insurance commissions make insurance regulations for the state and no two states have the same regulations. There was significant variation in the way states defined and regulated a pre- existing condition.

As it relates to the individual plan market, a pre-existing condition rider allowed insurers to refuse to cover individuals with pre-existing conditions. Such riders were legal in 36 states. 14 states prohibited such riders and one state, Indiana, allowed exclusions up to 10 years.

Look back periods also varied by state. 10 states had no limit, meaning if one has a diagnosis 30 years ago, the insurer could refuse to insure them.
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Old 09-16-2014, 07:10 PM
 
Location: Barrington
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That is nonsense. Unless you are referring to the insurance people could get that wouldn't cover their pre-existing conditions.

Prior to 2014 my health insurance plan (a group plan, through my employer) slapped a pre-existing condition clause on me for my first whole year of coverage. I had to fight tooth and nail with them to pay for the services I needed.

With Obamacare I was able to purchase good quality health insurance that paid for a surgery I needed that very same month. Prior to 2014 no such insurance existed on the private market.
Group/ Large Group Healthcare plans were required by 1996 HIPAA legislation to insure pre-existing conditions but deferred to states/ plans on maximum look back periods. 12 months was the most common.

This was substantially better than the Individual Plan Market whereby 36 states and DC allowed insurers to refuse to cover any pre-existing condition.
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Old 09-16-2014, 07:51 PM
 
Location: The Republic of Texas
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Lol. When. I think you meant if. Either way I meant for life. Her kid can buy in at 21 or so.

The kid can buy in at 18 if they enlist.
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