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Old 10-19-2014, 02:30 PM
 
Location: Maryland
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You guys are really twisting mwruckman's post. I agree with him. Frankly, the advice last summer to "stay at home and pray" that some gave was a good idea. The more you isolate yourself, the less susceptible you are.
I don't disagree with anything, just pointing out that Christians are in the minority in the region. So their reach maybe limited.
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Old 10-19-2014, 02:31 PM
 
Location: Foot of the Rockies
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I don't disagree with anything, just pointing out that Christians are in the minority in the region. So their reach maybe limited.
Point taken, but mwruckman's point is that Christians are providing the health care in many cases.
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Old 10-19-2014, 02:40 PM
 
Location: Amongst the AZ Cactus
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I think she is trying for a job over at Fox.
Reality is often something different. And the study is from what many would consider a liberal leaning college:

Book: Liberal Media Distorts News Bias - US News


"The liberal bias of the mainstream media tilts so far left that any outlets not in that political lane, like the Drudge Report and Fox News Channel, look far more conservative than they really are, according to a UCLA professor's new book out next month."

"In a crushing body blow to the pushers of the so-called "Fox Effect," which claims the conservative media is dragging the left into the center, UCLA political science professor Tim Groseclose in Left Turn claims that "all" mainstream news outlets have a liberal bias in their reporting that makes even moderate organizations appear out of the mainstream and decidedly right-wing to news consumers who are influenced by the slant."


Media bias is real, finds UCLA political scientist | UCLA


The old saying that repeat something enough times and it becomes reality in the minds of many rings true here. And shows many of us will lean towards that bias that enforces our own biases and knock the other "side". Bias compounds bias.
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Old 10-19-2014, 02:47 PM
 
Location: Sonoran Desert
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Reality is often something different. And the study is from what many would consider a liberal leaning college:

Book: Liberal Media Distorts News Bias - US News


"The liberal bias of the mainstream media tilts so far left that any outlets not in that political lane, like the Drudge Report and Fox News Channel, look far more conservative than they really are, according to a UCLA professor's new book out next month."

"In a crushing body blow to the pushers of the so-called "Fox Effect," which claims the conservative media is dragging the left into the center, UCLA political science professor Tim Groseclose in Left Turn claims that "all" mainstream news outlets have a liberal bias in their reporting that makes even moderate organizations appear out of the mainstream and decidedly right-wing to news consumers who are influenced by the slant."


Media bias is real, finds UCLA political scientist | UCLA


The old saying that repeat something enough times and it becomes reality in the minds of many rings true here. And shows many of us will lean towards that bias that enforces our own biases and knock the other "side". Bias compounds bias.
Of course, I was not talking about her political bias, but her theatrics and distortion of the facts. As a partisan, you probably can not appreciate what I am talking about.
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Old 10-19-2014, 02:55 PM
 
Location: Amongst the AZ Cactus
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Of course, I was not talking about her political bias, but her theatrics and distortion of the facts.
Distorting facts, theatrics, etc. often has roots to a bottom line political bias/agenda if you dig deep enough into a person's background who's reporting, being interviewed, etc. Some are better than others at covering up their political bias/agenda but digging just a bit deeper often reveals what it is.
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Old 10-19-2014, 03:18 PM
 
Location: Portland, Oregon
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No, but visas should have been temporarily halted.
And what about those that aren't from there, but have been there? You are basically asking for a huge disruption to air travel for something that isn't even a big deal in this country.
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Old 10-19-2014, 03:26 PM
 
Location: Maryland about 20 miles NW of DC
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I don't disagree with anything, just pointing out that Christians are in the minority in the region. So their reach maybe limited.
Islam has a thousand year head start in parts of West Africa, since, it was brought across the Sahara from the Maghreb (Morocco, Algeria, Tunisia and Libya) or down the Nile from Egypt. In the region Islam created several great civilizations (Ghana, Mali and Songhai) and the Sheikdoms of Northern Nigeria like Kano or Kaduna) . The empire of Mali with its center in the great University town of Timbuktu which was larger and wealthier than any European community of the 13th Century was the zenith of Islamic civilization in this part of Africa. There is a consensus that climate change to a desert like climate during the little ice age in the Sahal region of Africa destroyed places like Mali and its successor Songhai . The southward push of Islam stalled where the climate changes in West Africa to tropical rainforest where Islam had no defense against malaria and other tropical diseases.

This fact also slowed European entry into much of Africa. For Europeans in te form of the Portugese where sailing the West African coast by the mid-15th century. In fact Vasco da Gama sailed to India by circumnavigating Africa at about the same time Columbus sailed west trying to do the same thing. Christianity entered West Africa from the coast and when the West invented things like quinine (natural then synthetic) to cope with malaria the process of establishing Christianity got underway in earnest. One can credit this with helping stamp out the slave trade in West Africa for it was Christian churches like the Anglicans and Methodists who secured abolition by Act of Parliament in 1834 to slavery and the slave trade in Britain and the Empire.

Sierra Leone (named by the Portuguese who first mapped it coast for Europeans) was founded as a colony for freed black slaves by the British. The British called this settlement Freetown. A similar effort got underway in what was called the Land of Liberty or Liberia by American abolitionists. West Africa has been a hot bed of Christian mission work because it is one of the borderlands of the worlds faiths and Christians are welcome in most areas whereas a Christian missionary is asking for trouble if he tried to evangelize in the heavily Islamic areas.
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Old 10-19-2014, 03:31 PM
 
Location: Barrington
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The same pattern holds for the Patrick Sawyer case. He apparently was quite ill when he flew from Liberia to Nigeria. Reportedly, he vomitted and had diarrhea while on the plane then collapsed in the Lagos airport.

This is an excellent test case to research since it's involves a clear patient zero in a setting where the health authorities mustered the staff to trace and monitor something like 80,000 possible contacts.

I have not done more than casually note some details ...
The Sawyer case is intriguing. Reportedly he disclosed having Ebola to his employer, the Liberian Government. Nonetheless, they allowed him to attend a conference, in Nigeria. He was extremely ill when he boarded the flight in Monrovia and became progressively worse during the 2.5 hour flight.

He collapsed upon exiting the plane in Nigeria. He was tested for Malaria and Aids and denied having any contact with sick people. ( Later learned his sister had died of Ebola in Liberia and he was her caregiver). They eventually tested him for Ebola and broke the news. Sawyer went into a rage, pulled hydration tubes out and urinated on his caregivers while continuing to deny his had Ebola. Denial is a primitive human instinct

All in, he infected 19 people and I think 8 died. Most, if not all, were front line hospital employees, including an MD. The other passengers on this flight did not become sick despite close proximity.
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Sawyer was a US citizen and Nigeria's index patient. This experience resulted in no one being allowed to depart the infected countries on commercial flights until they are scanned for fevers at least 3X and evaluated.

Had those procedures been in place before Sawyer boarded his flight to Nigeria, he never would have been allowed to fly.
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Old 10-19-2014, 03:32 PM
 
Location: Barrington
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Our training tells us that incubation is 2 -26 days and 98% occur within 8-10 days. The fact that thus far none of Sawyers house mates have become ill is very reassuring.
You mean Duncan. I have confused the names, too,
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Old 10-19-2014, 03:36 PM
 
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You would be correct. Regardless of religion, pray the Ebola away and use of faith healers prevail.

It has become necessary to pay the faith healers to back off because they are one of the sources of virus migration.
What in the heck are you talking about? Many of the Western doctors working over there to save people are Christians.
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