Ebola in Our Midsts Part 2 (legal, soldiers, death, Obama)

[jerseygal4u]

Originally Posted by Sawdustmaker

Because she didn't know if she was infected or not.

Yes she did know.

She did not have a fever after they checked her 3 times.

Therefore,she is NOT sick with ebola.

[suzy_q2010]

Originally Posted by SimplySagacious

The point relates to your statement that I quoted.

You stated a potentially deadly assumption as if it were fact. Research is ongoing but you are taking a nonscientific stance.

It's irresponsible at best.

Good luck.

What point? I merely added to what you posted, including a link to human genetics to go with the mouse study. By the way, your previous post to me was 150 or so posts back. I have a pretty good memory, but I do not memorize everything written here.

Yes, some people have Ebola with no symptoms.

Some probably have it and have mild symptoms.

Some get sicker, with a spectrum all the way to deadly sick.

The ones with no symptoms are only found by testing for antibodies. That was done in family members of victims who were sick.

In order to not get sick, your immune system pretty much has to stop the virus in its tracks. You clear it out before you can spread it.

The ones who get sick can spread it, but if they do not get bad vomiting and diarrhea they probably won't. They can take care of themselves, which limits contact with others.

Even those with bad symptoms do not always spread it (think Mr. Duncan's family.)

None of it means Ebola is spread by casual contact.

You will not get Ebola if someone sneezes on the bus.

[Rakin]

Originally Posted by SimplySagacious

She lives in a small town and if it's like every other small town in America, she won't lead a pleasant life after this whether she has contracted ebola or not. She basically said FU to the townsfolk.

Anyone who has lived in a small town will understand this.

I've said this all along, the town would quarantine her if the media would leave.

She's not even really a local which means she will not be welcome by the locals.

[suzy_q2010]

Originally Posted by jerseygal4u

Yes she did know.

She did not have a fever after they checked her 3 times.

Therefore,she is NOT sick with ebola.

She is far enough into the 21 days that we can say she probably does not have it. However, at the beginning of the 21 days we did not know that. Having no fever (or even a negative test) part way through the incubation period does not mean she is clear. At 21 days, she's off the hook.

[Informed Info]

Originally Posted by jerseygal4u

Yes she did know.

She did not have a fever after they checked her 3 times.

Therefore,she is NOT sick with ebola.

At EWR?

Just like the NYC doc who didn't show signs of infection for 8 days after being back home?

She's well in to her 21 days. She may not be infected but the point is she DIDN'T KNOW THAT AT THE TIME- but was willing to risk the health of others.

That's the problem with Kaci.

[fisheye]

Originally Posted by suzy_q2010

She is far enough into the 21 days that we can say she probably does not have it. However, at the beginning of the 21 days we did not know that. Having no fever (or even a negative test) part way through the incubation period does not mean she is clear. At 21 days, she's off the hook.

Lets say that she is totally clear. Lets say that the judge's rulings are with the letter of the law. The dangerous part of this case is that it is setting the precedent - it is establishing how we will treat possible exposures in the future. There is no such thing as always right. There is always going to be the one case where this decision will be the wrong decision and others will be exposed. I am curious how many will publicly support this decision if others are infected/exposed?

[michiganmoon]

The Obama Administration when critiquing State mandated 21-day quarantines reminds us that all safety precautions needs to be science based.

Is this to deceive us into thinking that there isn't a scientific justification for a 21-day quarantine while the same Obama Administration imposes that quarantine on the military?

[suzy_q2010]

Originally Posted by fisheye

Lets say that she is totally clear. Lets say that the judge's rulings are with the letter of the law. The dangerous part of this case is that it is setting the precedent - it is establishing how we will treat possible exposures in the future. There is no such thing as always right. There is always going to be the one case where this decision will be the wrong decision and others will be exposed. I am curious how many will publicly support this decision if others are infected/exposed?

Originally Posted by michiganmoon

The Obama Administration when critiquing State mandated 21-day quarantines reminds us that all safety precautions needs to be science based.

Is this to deceive us into thinking that there isn't a scientific justification for a 21-day quarantine while the same Obama Administration imposes that quarantine on the military?

Hickox is still under quarantine: she is monitoring her temperature and has agreed to contact the health department before traveling.

[gen811]

Originally Posted by michiganmoon

The Obama Administration when critiquing State mandated 21-day quarantines reminds us that all safety precautions needs to be science based.

Is this to deceive us into thinking that there isn't a scientific justification for a 21-day quarantine while the same Obama Administration imposes that quarantine on the military?

this...

WHY are we quarantining soldiers then?

if they do not follow orders they are court martial-ed while kaci can just waltz in and say
I am clear so I dont need to follow quarantine.

if OBAMA wasn't such a hypocrite then

kaci's argument may stand but so long as Mr President
says that soldiers will be quarantined even though they show no symtoms then
kaci should follow the same rules.

SHE IS NOT better than our military men + women

She needs to get over herself
even if she does work for the CDC

she has no right.

part of being fair is treating everyone the same equally not just ones that you like.

that's being BIAS
and I thought democrats were suppose to be the party of fairness right?
YEAH RIGHT

both neo-cons republicans and democrats are idiots.
some more than others.

there are some atheist libertarians yes even on youtube that think we should close the borders like Australia btw as I have posted in the past

so this is not exactly about freedom being bigoted or not
this is about taking certain calculated precautions that would have resulted from the free market anyway.

we all know airlines are keeping those flights open mainly because
they fear the government WH politics. not because it helps their bottom line.


I am not fearful of ebola but those measures are actually reasonable.
you can travel there but unless you agree to a 21 day quarantine then you should not be let back in.
hence going by military.

sorry but WW1 started because we let idiot travelers into a war zone and they got sunk and it was used as propaganda to go into war with Germany. notes: this was BEFORE HITLER.

you live by idiocy you die by idiocy.

this increased fear because no travel bans and such put in place
will cause the public to have increased fear of africans now as seen with increased racism

like we did with immigrants way back we screened them for diseases then let them into our country.
what is wrong with that now?

being too PC for common sense?
you go to an infected area then come back what is wrong with dealing with you as an immigrant again?

you agreed to it when you went then.

especially since she is a CDC employee
trying to stir up trouble on orders by her employer.

these recent news stories are purely political.

the government better not think we are all fine with quarantine no matter what.
you still have to prove we went to ebola countries instead.

do not say we have contact with ebola victims either and need to force quarantine us on false pretenses.

they are opening the door to that by not doing travel bans as a result
making that much easier to instigate medical marshal law.

as you see the lesser of the 2 evils by a large margin would have been the travel ban.
if we see medical marshal law in a few months this will be because of them intentional producing this risk.

[AADAD]

The Nurse in Maine won her case in court. The power of the government is only legitimate when it is applied with fairness and equity.

She is not ill at this point in time thankfully. 95% of all cases turn positive within 8-10 days of exposure. 5% can turn positive up until 26 days.

She has assisted in the development of legal precedent which protects people from undue coercion and harassment. Whatever you may think of her personally, she is a leader and a professional Nurse, like many before her and the many to come after.